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Daniel Presedo Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2008 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 1
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Some of you will be pleasantly surprised by the new tools coming in CS4 Photoshop...
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Martin Redmond Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 September 2008 at 6:23pm | IP Logged | 2
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Perspective makes the art for me. That's why I like Joe Bennett or Leonard Kirk.
I love drawing perspectives on paper. Especially using ultra long rulers. Because it feels rewarding. But I've grown to favor using 3D Max to rough out stuff when the environment is very important to a scene or I'll take screenshots from the level itself, since you can add so much so fast once you've made yourself a library of simple objects like cars and cranes and such. Of course, overdetailing isn't any good either, cause it's a pain to lightbox and an illustration being a flat image, should simplify everything anyway instead of over complicating it. blablabla
Also I like seeing things divided in uneven numbers like 3s or 5s better than even numbers and I find that still time consuming to do. : /
Edited by Martin Redmond on 20 September 2008 at 6:36pm
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6623
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Posted: 20 September 2008 at 6:52pm | IP Logged | 3
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this is my favorite thread, not because I started it,
but because we're all talking passionately about art!
chalk one up for the arteeests!
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John Caliber Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 19 July 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 363
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 2:15am | IP Logged | 4
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It's wonderful to learn new techniques from the other members. I've spent most of my life surrounded by folk with no knowledge or interest in illustration. Every day I spend wandering about Byrne Robotics is a revelation.
Re: PS CS4: am I ever ready for this, Daniel!
Here's the snippet I found:
Enhanced Vanishing Point with 3D support Edit in perspective on multiple surfaces — even those connected at angles other than 90 degrees — with the enhanced Vanishing Point, which also lets you measure in perspective; wrap graphics, images, and text around multiple planes; and output 2D planes as 3D models.
Edited by John Caliber on 21 September 2008 at 2:18am
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Jim Campbell Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 October 2006 Posts: 380
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 2:35am | IP Logged | 5
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QUOTE:
I'll have to check the Blend feature out, Jim - never used it before.
I know it's a grid-based, stepped 'morphing' tool? |
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I can't take credit for that tip, John, so I should direct you to the following
link by Matt "D'israeli" Brooker, artist of many strips for 2000AD, and War of
the Worlds for Dark Horse.
I suspect this should be of interest to anyone who uses computers for
comic art:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lynnfo/levdemo/
Matt is regarded by us 2000AD readers as something of a national
treasure and I would urge anyone with an interest in comic art to check
out some of his work.
Cheers!
Jim
Edited by Jim Campbell on 21 September 2008 at 2:40am
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 29 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 6623
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:11am | IP Logged | 6
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just bought this yesterday.
anybody have it?
Perspective!
Edited by Joe Smith on 21 September 2008 at 7:12am
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:18am | IP Logged | 7
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Trying to explain perspective with a text book is really ineffective, in my
opinion.
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Jb wrote: "It's how I first learned about it."
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Which book, JB? Was this part of a class? Did your teacher elaborate?
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If it was part of a class, with a teacher to elaborate, that would rather negate
my point that I first learned about perspective from a book, wouldn't it?
In fact, the book from which I learned about perspective was the "manual"
that came with the JON GNAGY LEARN TO DRAW kit my parents bought me
when I was about 12. It was a tie-in to the TV show of the same title. I was
a devoted follower, but with all the other things he had touched upon in the
episodes I had seen, Gnagy had not covered perspective. So as I sat in the
back of my Dad's Plymouth, reading that book while I waited for my parents
to finish shopping, hitting those pages was as close to a genuine epiphany
as I have ever had in my life. I looked at the illustrations of vanishing
points, raised my eyes to look out the window, and saw perspective in the
really world for the first time. Consciously, anyway.
Oddly, I never did see the episode of the show that covered perspective, so
for me it all started with that book. I learned the fundamentals there, and it
is those fundamentals that have served me ever since.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:19am | IP Logged | 8
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I HAVE a drafting table!
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It's not the table, Joe. It's the drafting machine.
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Joe Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:30am | IP Logged | 9
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I got the machine, too!
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:31am | IP Logged | 10
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Yes, I've got that book.
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John Caliber Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:40am | IP Logged | 11
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Oops, I'm actually trying to sell my copy on Amazon.co.uk. A manual a quarter of the size would have done the same job. The 'helpful' perspective grids at the back of the book completely baffle me - far too complicated!
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John Caliber Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2008 at 7:43am | IP Logged | 12
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I can't take credit for that tip, John, so I should direct you to the following link by Matt "D'israeli" Brooker, artist of many strips for 2000AD, and War of the Worlds for Dark Horse.
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Thanks Jim. I lost interest in 2000AD when I retired from publishing Judge Dredd RPG books, so haven't seen much of Matt's work. I'm personally not much of an Illustrator user (it takes too long to produce line art IMO - I use it only for lettering), but know there are quite a few, nifty features not immediately apparant which will be a great boon to me.
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