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Carmen Bernardo
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I think the big thing is to learn how to do it, but you'll also have to practice it often in order to get a better handle on it. One of my first things that I'll be doing when I start getting back to the drawing board this week, in fact, is going back to the basics on perspective. A lot of what I'm envisioning right now is done in a 3-point high perspective, but when it comes to getting closer to more complex scenes such as a view of streets and high buildings, I definitely need to re-learn my stuff.
Computer programs are just a shortcut. I'm considering looking into JB's drafting table suggestion.
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John Byrne
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Computer programs are just a shortcut.
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And always good to keep in mind, it can often be only a short hop from a
shortcut to a crutch.
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John Caliber
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I sketch on paper, but produce the finished work exclusively on my PC. Are there any programs that can generate perspective grids compatible with Photoshop?
I'm not asking for cheats like Sketchup which work out perspective as the artist draws the object, but grids which are generated from vanishing points selected by the artist, and can then be resized as desired? I imagine they exist for CAD programs, but don't know much about Photoshop plug-ins.
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Charles Jensen
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I guess I look at things differently regarding Sketchup, I think we should use as many tools as we can to learn things.
Obviously the teaching method for perspective isn't great right now, a lot of people struggle with it. I have a decent understanding of it but I feel like I am only scratching the surface.. and I haven't found much good information on it. Especially easily consumed information. Trying to explain perspective with a text book is really ineffective, in my opinion.
And, if you don't happen to have JB around to explain something to you, as we have in this thread, Sketchup could be a great tool to check your work.
But, don't get me wrong, I definitely agree it is essential to learn perspective if you have any artistic aspirations.
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John Byrne
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Trying to explain perspective with a text book is really ineffective, in my
opinion.
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It's how I first learned about it.
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Jim Campbell
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QUOTE:
I sketch on paper, but produce the finished work exclusively on
my PC. Are there any programs that can generate perspective grids
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Make 'em in Illustrator with the 'Blend' tool. You can either open .ai or
.eps files in Photoshop, or copy from Illustrator and paste 'em into
Photoshop direct.
Although, Illustrator lends itself to perspective work, so you might find it
helpful to lay down at least the major lines in Illustrator before bringing it
into Photoshop for detailing and colour.
Everything bar a handful of airbrush effects in this pic was done in
Illustrator.
Cheers!
Jim
Edited to fix image link
Edited by Jim Campbell on 20 September 2008 at 9:33am
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JT Molloy
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When I took my art classes in college (minored in art, majored in
television post production) I was taught perspective many a time, and I
always sucked at it and didn't grasp it enough, but since I've been
drawing comic book stuff on the side every day since as long as I can
remember, I got to a point where I figured my skill wasn't going to evolve
without utilizing perspective properly. It gets easier with practice, and
now I VASTLY prefer it over photo-reference-copying or just making it
up as I go (although those are good steps to take).
JB is right, trial and error is the way to go. Computers are not only a
crutch, but add extra steps to getting to be where you want, when if you
learn how to do it off your head by hand, it gets amazingly simple, and
gratifying!
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Charles Jensen
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Trying to explain perspective with a text book is really ineffective, in my
opinion.
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Jb wrote: "It's how I first learned about it."
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Which book, JB? Was this part of a class? Did your teacher elaborate?
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Joe Smith
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I HAVE a drafting table! But I was at work when I drew the van!
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John Caliber
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Make 'em in Illustrator with the 'Blend' tool. You can either open .ai or
.eps files in Photoshop, or copy from Illustrator and paste 'em into
Photoshop direct.
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I'll have to check the Blend feature out, Jim - never used it before. I know it's a grid-based, stepped 'morphing' tool?
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Scott Sackett
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And before someone chimes in with "Easy for you to say, Byrne! You're rich!" -- I
bought my drafting machine back in 1977, when I was a starving artist just like the rest
of youse.
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Since you're not exactly using it for what it's designed for, what made you buy a drafting machine?
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John Caliber
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This series of videos concerns the usage of perspective in Photoshop:
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-create-two-po int-perspective-in-photoshop-64441/
It's not far off how I bluffed my way through perspective, but I'm not sufficiently confident that every perspective dependant illustration I attempt is not riddled with anxiety!
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