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Trevor Giberson
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http://sevencamels.blogspot.com/2006/09/comic-strip-artists- kit-redux.html
Seven pages of great advice. Here's a sample:
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John Byrne
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Keeping in mind, of course, that there will always be exceptions that test the rules. Those three running figures of Donald's nephews, for instance. It is easy to imagine a scene in which you'd WANT them to be running in unison, as in the second shot, to indicate PURPOSE rather than CHAOS.
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Trevor Giberson
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Agreed... like running to to fetch a thoughtful birthday suprise for Uncle Donald, as opposed to running from Uncle Donald after the birthday suprise goes terribly wrong.
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Martin Redmond
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Speaking of this, I find that the old Famous Artist Course documents are pretty thorough. They had a cartooning class too. Their lessons are pretty short and to the point. Plus it's all done by some great illustrators: Bob Peak, Al Parker, Virgil Patch, etc.
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Trevor Giberson
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I'd never considered of any of this.
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John Byrne
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Well, that second page is just ALL WRONG. I use down-shots a lot, as you may have noticed, and I have NONE of the cited problems. The two panels illustrating the "difficulty" in showing character sizes are especially preposterous. Notice how in the second panel he had to put Mickey on a hill to achieve proper size relationships on his "low horizon" shot? Perhaps it the elements had actually been drawn in perspective in the first shot there would not have been a "problem".
In the last two panels he uses shots in which it would have made no sense to do a down-shot, give the distance between the objects!
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Caleb M. Edmond
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JB & forum,
This thread begs the question:
Is there a difference between CARTOON illustration and COMIC illustration?
If so, is there something that both can learn from the other?
(This reminds me of a life/perspective changing moment in my career.
I was working with my business advisor when the subject of the POWER PUFF GIRLS came up
(Don't ask me how or why.) I commented on how the concept could be "thrown together" with
little thought and creativity involved, yet be SO successful.
To this, my advisor corrected me by stating the ENORMOUS amount of work that goes into
creating the series, even if it did SEEM simplistic.
Even though I was sure I knew what I was talking about, I decided to take a good look at the
series/characters. I was shocked to realize what my advisor had told me was indeed true.
These were well thought out characters. With individual thoughts, characteristics and
personalities. This realization changed my whole perspective on how characters are created,
developed and portrayed.)
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Dave Braun
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I would definitely buy a "How to Draw Comics the John Byrne Way" if it
existed and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
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Peter Hicks
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"many perspective problems are illiminated"
The author's artistic credits are in doubt, but we know for certain he failed English!
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Michael Huber
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I would definitely buy a "How to Draw Comics the John Byrne Way" if it
existed and I'm guessing I'm not the only one.
I'd buy three, for me and my twins.
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Andy Mokler
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/942257/how-to-draw-comics-the-john -byrne-way
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John Byrne
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As you will notice when the cover comes up on your screen, my name is not
in the title of that thing. I ordered it removed, after the publisher included it
without my permission. I loaned them some sketchbooks and drew a cover,
and that was the total extent of my participation. I did not write any of the
copy for that thing.
And the sketchbooks were never returned.
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