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Rick Whiting
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Is the original Human Torch an android/robot or a genetically engineered human being created by combining organic human cells and artificially created inorganic mechanisms? I ask this because their seems to be so much contradiction in the comics about what exactly the Torch is over the years. Same thing goes for the Vision.
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Michael Roberts
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When have they portrayed him as a genetically engineered human? The only contradictions I've seen with the Human Torch and Vision is whether they were built to be anatomically identical to humans (except that their organs and tissue are made of synthetic materials) or whether they look more like machines on the inside.
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Peter Martin
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Android. In the true sense of the word.
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Rick Whiting
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When have they portrayed him as a genetically engineered human?
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In the Human Torch mini series from Marvel and Dynamite by Mike Carey and Alex Ross, it was revealed that the original Torch was made up of artificial cells called "Horton cells". IIRC, these cells were supposed to be partly organic and partly artificial.
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John Byrne
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As Peter notes, in the correct sense of the word an "android" is an artificial human, not merely a human-looking robot. An android has the whole kit, heart, lungs, kidneys, veins, blood, sweat glands, etc, but they are artificial.Ironically, this is why the very story which laid the groundwork for the Vision being the Torch {"Journey to the Center of the Android") proved that he wasn't, since he had all kinds of mechanical parts.
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Stephen Robinson
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JB: As Peter notes, in the correct sense of the word an "android" is an artificial human, not merely a human-looking robot. An android has the whole kit, heart, lungs, kidneys, veins, blood, sweat glands, etc, but they are artificial.
SER: I thought they were going to correctly depict Data as an "android" on NEXT GENERATION (he was even "fully functional") but it wasn't long before we saw his inner workings and he was basically just an advanced robot.
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Sam Houston
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Rick, unless Marvel has really changed things, I would read John's work in Avengers West Coast: Vision Quest
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In the Human Torch mini series from Marvel and Dynamite by Mike Carey and Alex Ross, it was revealed that the original Torch was made up of artificial cells called "Horton cells". IIRC, these cells were supposed to be partly organic and partly artificial.
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Even if his artificial cells have a biological component that doesn't make him a genetically engineered human.
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Robert White
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This is how I've always understood it:
Android: Humanoid robot that looks identical or very close to a human but is mostly mechanical with little to no biological tissue. Ex. Data from STNG
Snythazoid: A humanoid construct made up mostly of synthetically created biological tissues. Typically has a computerized brain and perhaps mechanical bones, etc. Ex. Human Torch, Vision
Genetically engineered human: A humanoid without any synthetic, computerized or mechanical parts who's "made up" of natural biological components but usually born through artificial means. Ex. Adam Warlock, Longshot
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Rick Whiting
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Rick, unless Marvel has really changed things, I would read John's work in Avengers West Coast: Vision Quest
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I read it when it first came out. However, in a recent storyline in Secret Avengers involving a race of androids ,robots,and synthezoids derived from the same tech that created the original Torch that race is often refered to being robots. the Torch was even wounded to reveal his mechanical guts, but he was also shown in a tube healing from his injuries. It seems to me that some writers are being inconsistent in their definition between what a robot,android,and synthezoid is.
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Stephen Robinson
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Android: Humanoid robot that looks identical or very close to a human but is mostly mechanical with little to no biological tissue. Ex. Data from STNG
SER: No, that's a fancy robot. It's C-3PO with different skin.
An android is an artificially created human being -- Frankenstein's creation was the first.
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Robert Bradley
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According to Webster's Dictionary an android is "a robot made to resemble a human being" which describes the original Human Torch, the Vision, the Mad Thinker's Awesome Android, Data and Dr. Roger Korby.
Stephen, you're just describing a re-animated human, albeit one made from several different donors.
While you can qualify as both a robot and android, the definition of an android is more limiting. So Ultron, the Doombots, Robotman, the Metal Men, H.E.R.B.I.E., Machine Man, C-3PO, R2-D2 and the Sentinels are more mechanical than human in design and probably should all be referred to as robots.
Edited by Robert Bradley on 11 March 2013 at 10:40pm
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