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David Ferguson
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Yeah. I was dubious about visiting the South before. This just confirms in my mind that I should stick to New York and a few other spots.
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Steven Legge
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What about the right of unarmed innocents to mitigate the risk of being shot?
I believe they are expected to arm themselves and shoot back.
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John Byrne
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As I've said many times before, the notion of firearms as "protection" was real and valid when the Second Amendment was drafted. When "a well regulated militia" really WAS the best way for a small nation without a standing army to guard against invaders (or hostile natives). But when was the last time that condition was truly extant in this country? If an invader has gotten thru the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines and all Federal and local police authorities, weekend warriors who imagine themselves as the last bulwark of Freedom have already lost. And when it comes to "home defense," the statistics tell a sad story of children and homeowners killed and injured by those in-house guns. Far more than those who have been "protected." But this is all moot. If Sandy Hook didn't bring about a restoration of sanity in this country, nothing ever will.
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Don Zomberg
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Conservatives keep doing everything in their power to turn American into a wasteland of ignorance and violence.
You gotta love the "pro life" crowd.
Edited by Don Zomberg on 24 April 2014 at 7:20am
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Roy Johnson
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Don't the gun advocates typically cite the US Government as the force they need to defend against? As you say, though - if the entire US Military is agin' ya, they don't stand a chance anyway.
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John Byrne
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Don't the gun advocates typically cite the US Government as the force they need to defend against?•• Many do, and in the process apparently miss the rather important detail that such a position automatically voids their protection under the Second Amendment. That's a "well regulated" militia the Founding Fathers had in mind when they conceived a need for an armed civilian populace. And only the Government can "regulate" in that sense.
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Eric Ladd
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I grew up in Georgia from the 5th grade all the way through my university education. It is quite sad to see a law like this come to pass in what I consider my home state. Hind sight is 20/20, but moving to Canada 11 years ago is proving to be one heck of a good idea back in 2002.
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Thom Price
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Don't the gun advocates typically cite the US Government as the force they need to defend against?
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Not surprisingly these are mostly the same states that thought they could beat the North in a war, despite being out-manned and out-gunned. Lessons are never learned, it would seem.
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Stephen Robinson
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Don't the gun advocates typically cite the US Government as the force
they need to defend against?
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SER: Many of these people -- I'm from the area -- also support the
mosr stringent anti-terror statutes. Terrorists aren't just brown people
who worship Allah. You take up arms against the government you are a
terrorist.
(Though I think the US treating Confederate leaders as honorable foes,
rather than squashing them in the eyes of history didn't help.)
It would seem that the most insane gun laws tend to be in states where
there is a significant minority population. Until that unreasoning fear is
resolved, you'll continue to see more of this.
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Kevin Brown
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John Byrne wrote:
| See, that was the ONE thing that was wrong at Sandy Hook -- slaughtering those little children wasn't EASY enough. This FIXES that! |
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The sad thing is that there are members of the NRA who probably seriously think that. And some of them are members of Congress...
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John Byrne
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Not surprisingly these are mostly the same states that thought they could beat the North in a war, despite being out-manned and out-gunned. Lessons are never learned, it would seem.•• The only lesson America seems to have learned as that we beat the British, and that was the most powerful country on Earth! And we were just about the smallest country when we did it! Yay, us! Little consideration is given to the fact that the British couldn't have won that war. Logistics were completely against them. (Kinda what happened to us in Vietnam -- another lesson not learned!)
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Jason Stephens
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Unlike the majority of you, I'm a gun owner and don't mind allowing others to own guns. I will say that allowing guns to be carried into bars is crazy. I also have zero problem with guns not being allowed in govt buildings. Any place that entry is voluntary and also has a high likelihood of impaired judgment is asking for trouble.
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