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Kip Lewis
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I could see 13 year old boys liking that ad; that fits boy
humor. (But, it is unlikely any 13 year old boys would see
that ad anywhere unless they are already buying comics.)
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Stephen Robinson
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VINNY:...Batman's illegitimate son with Talia that is a
murderer yet he still took him on as Robin. He "died"
last year.
SER: I think that demonstrates a big way that comics have
changed in the past 25 years. When Jason Todd was
"revamped" -- mostly by Jim Starlin -- as a "dark" Dick
Grayson, the "Sonny Corleone" of Robins -- arrogant,
impulsive, violent, it was arguably done to justify
killing him or at least getting rid of him in the fans*
minds. It was inconceivable that such a Robin would be
*popular*. Yet Damian Wayne, who had many of the same
flaws if not more, was embraced. (We only *suspected*
that Jason Todd killed someone; Damian did in his first
storyline and yet knowing so, Batman never turned him
into the police).
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John Byrne
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It doesn't detract from your point at all, but this is in reference to the Damian Wayne Robin - you know, Batman's illegitimate son with Talia that is a murderer yet he still took him on as Robin. He "died" last year.••• "This will be OUR death of Robin!!!" Imitation is the sincerest form of copying.
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Stephen Robinson
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When I think back on the classic "Robin Dies at Dawn"
story, I remember how the idea of Batman losing Robin --
for all intents and purposes, his son -- was a significant
event, potentially a game changer. He might never be the
same man again.
Now, Bruce Wayne is the type of man who can lose two
(almost three) child substitutes and keep going. And it's
not presented as a sign of his determination but more a
sense that he is so mentally damaged all ready, you might
as well pile it on to him for the sake of a "good" story.
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Carmen Bernardo
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I kind of preferred Batman as the rich kid who grew up planning a personal war on the criminal element after watching his parents being murdered for his mother's necklace. Not mentally unbalanced, but having adopted a personal agenda of revenge directed at those like the man who left him an orphan.
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Matt Reed
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I wouldn't call it revenge so much as justice. His parent's murderer escaped into the night and Bruce was left with a profound sense of loss coupled with the determination that no other criminal would do the same in his city. If it was simply revenge, he would have burned out long ago. The fires of justice can burn an entire lifetime.
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Steve De Young
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Though I've given up on the Nu52 and Marvel NOW...wait...NOW...no...hold on...NOW! I was heartened when I saw that this was the conclusion of Batman: Zero Year, as opposed to the characterization of Batman's mission lately:
I mean, Batman, happy!? You can almost get why he'd be pals with Superman and join the Justice League.
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Rod Collins
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I think these types of continuity heavy, editorial driven comics are why a lot of creators and comic fans seem to be turning away from the big two and looking to smaller publishers and creator owned work. I'd rather be able to open a book and read it without having to have encyclopaedic knowledge of a character's last 20 years of continuity.
The other problem is soft reboots that don't clear the decks of all the crap that has been shovelled down a character's throat for years, because we don't want to piss off Grant Morrison. The New 52 was an opportunity to get rid of all those dead Robin's that make Bruce Wayne look not too much different than a terrorist sending out children to do his dirty work. No, sorry we can't do that, instead we'll add in more Robin's and age Dick Grayson, so that he is almost as old as Bruce Wayne... Yeah, great thinking DC!
Edited by Rod Collins on 25 July 2014 at 9:34pm
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John Byrne
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I think these types of continuity heavy, editorial driven comics are why a lot of creators and comic fans seem to be turning away from the big two and looking to smaller publishers and creator owned work. I'd rather be able to open a book and read it without having to have encyclopaedic knowledge of a character's last 20 years of continuity. •• Working at DC, the single question I grew most tired of asking was "What's going on with ______________ this month?" It seemed no character could be depended upon for a consistent portrayal.
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John Byrne
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About that picture, above. Allowing that his hair is shorn pretty short, if he has a normal shaped skull under it, shouldn't it look more like this...
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Eric Ladd
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His head did seem to level off abruptly in the original. I'm also struck that Bruce Wayne doesn't seem to have a look for me. I would not have identified that face as Bruce Wayne without the dialog. Peter Parker and Reed Richards both have a set appearance in my mind that I can distinguish, but not Bruce.
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Doug Centers
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I think" Saturday morning cartoon" when I see that picture.
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