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Jason Larouse
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| Posted: 24 July 2014 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | 1
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How weird is it that Dick Grayson hasn't been Robin in 30 years?
Because DC sucks at re-printing pre-crisis comics there are multiple generations of more die hard than average comic book fans who have never read a single comic where he's Robin.
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Aaron Smith
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| Posted: 24 July 2014 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | 2
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Every ad for or story about new comics just makes me want to ignore it and go back and read the old stuff from when storytelling was the first priority. Yesterday's 75th anniversary of Batman didn't make me want to run to the comic store for the latest issues. It made me want to dig out my 25 year old copy of The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told and revisit the classics.
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Stephen Robinson
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| Posted: 24 July 2014 at 8:09pm | IP Logged | 3
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The ad Matt Reed posted also underscores what I see as a
big problem with the series: It's building on brand
recognition of Dick Grayson while simultaneously
distancing itself from the brand. If I was a faithful
NIGHTWING reader, this ad makes me think the character I
liked will be unrecognizable. And if I'm not a Nightwing
fan, the ad doesn't tell me why I should give this
"revamp" of sorts a try.
He also really looks not that dissimilar from how Bruce
Wayne looks in the BATMAN title. That's another challenge
with the adult twentysomething Dick Grayson.
The new 52 had a great chance to "fix" the Batman "Robin
Corps" problem. If it's now only been six years since the
DC heroes appeared, then that's just enough time for
Batman to have a solo career, meet and train Dick, and
have *one* teenage Robin. Instead, they not only keep
Damian -- who they later kill -- but they keep Tim Drake
and JASON TODD. I don't follow closely enough to know if
Tim Drake was actually still Robin in the new 52 but it
still feels like Batman gets a new Robin each year at the
end of the current season of GOTHAM IDOL or THE SIDEKICK.
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Andrew W. Farago
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| Posted: 24 July 2014 at 8:48pm | IP Logged | 4
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That's why comics should never pretend they're operating on anything other than comic book time. Captain America getting thawed out after 9-11 with the Fantastic Four's space shot happening with Britney Spears playing on the radio while Peter Parker was a sophomore at Midtown High as the Punisher goes from jaded Vietnam vet to whichever conflict happened about ten years ago...that's more mental gymnastics than I really want to do when I'm reading a comic.
Just acknowledge that comics work in some sort of magic comic time that allows it to be Christmas every year without aging your characters a year, lets the Teen Titans age enough to join the JLA without the JLA moving toward retirement age, and just tell stories and roll with it. Batman can either have five sidekicks over 30 years or five over five years, or you can just call it comic book time and be done with it.
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Thomas Moudry
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| Posted: 24 July 2014 at 10:28pm | IP Logged | 5
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That ad really irks me.
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John Byrne
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The ad Matt Reed posted also underscores what I see as a big problem with the series: It's building on brand recognition of Dick Grayson while simultaneously distancing itself from the brand. If I was a faithful NIGHTWING reader, this ad makes me think the character I liked will be unrecognizable. And if I'm not a Nightwing fan, the ad doesn't tell me why I should give this "revamp" of sorts a try.•• Which is pure Hollywood-Think. How many times have they "remade" old movies or TV shows, changing them so much almost nothing is left but the title? Time and again, I ask "Who is the perceived audience for this?"
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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 25 July 2014 at 6:29am | IP Logged | 7
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I saw a clip from that MAN OF STEEL thing where Lois Lane is apparently unwelcome among some group of men and she rebuffs them by saying, "so if we're through comparing dicks..."
Yeah, I'm not showing this to my little kids.
What in the world ever happened to CLASS in comicbooks?!
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Michael Penn
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And my 20 year old just bought himself this t-shirt yesterday... classy and classic!
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Gundars Berzins
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Here is your class. More great stuff.
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John Byrne
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What in the world ever happened to CLASS in comicbooks?!•• The fans took over. But they were the WRONG fans. Not the fans who loved the characters for what they were, but the ones who wanted to know how Reed and Sue had sex, did the Thing have a penis, why Superman didn't ponk Wonder Woman, etc. Years ago, before this madness really took over, I was at an NYC con, doing a panel about creating superheroes. A couple of loud twenty-somethings in the audience suggested their version of Man-Thing, Shit-Man. Like the Torch, he would have a battle cry, "SHIT ON!" Easy to imagining them working at the Big Two these days.
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John Byrne
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Long time ago, now, I had a conversation with a Higher Up at DC, who told me his plans for the Future. Every single thing he mentioned was in the form of "This will be our Kree-Skrull war," "This will be our SECRET WARS," "This will be our CRISIS." Not an original idea in the bunch. All just recycling -- and mostly of Marvel stuff! Thirty year old Marvel stuff, some of it!This "Dick" ad comes right out of that kind of thinking. It's saying "Look! We're BOLD and DARING and NEW -- provided you have a detailed awareness of this character's prior history." The dead Robin, above, is in the same vein. For it to mean anything, you have to have read the death of Robin story -- what, 25 years ago? I've been saying for years that superhero comics have turned into expensive fanzines. But it's worse. They've turned into a fanboy circle jerk.
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Vinny Valenti
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"For it to mean anything, you have to have read the death of Robin story --
what, 25 years ago?"
It doesn't detract from your point at all, but this is in reference to the Damian
Wayne Robin - you know, Batman's illegitimate son with Talia that is a
murderer yet he still took him on as Robin. He "died" last year.
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 25 July 2014 at 8:51am
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