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Conrad Teves
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Now we have bloggers telling Manara how to draw:
With examples teaching that Milo Manara a lil' something about anatomy:
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James Howell
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| Posted: 22 August 2014 at 10:19pm | IP Logged | 2
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Internet = Theater Of The Absurd
The saddest thing of all this is..
A: Internet Comic Book "Fans" reducing Milo Manara to just being a purveyor of porn...
B: Comic Book Art is so low on the minds of current fans, that many of them don't even know who Milo Manara is.
Unfortunate.
BTW the "corrected" art didn't even get the original pose by Manara right. Jessica Drew's right leg is supposed to hanging over the roof's edge, so it's straight, not bent in the same crouching position as the left one.
Edited by James Howell on 22 August 2014 at 10:32pm
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Steve De Young
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You know, for the entire eighties and nineties every male superhero's costume showed off his six-pack abs as if it were bodypaint...no comments. In fact, on those few occasions where costumes were drawn like fabric, i.e. with wrinkles and baggy bits, it was roundly criticized, in many cases by folks on this very board. Yet now we apparently want Spider-Woman in baggy fabric?
I think this is yet another case of white male liberals with good intentions getting offended on behalf of other people, most of whom aren't offended themselves in the first place.
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Robert White
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While some people are just being prudish and passing it off as political correctness, I still feel there is a time and place for this style of art. I think Manara is extremely talented in terms of erotica comics (a genre I have zero interest in personally) but I still feel that it's not appropriate for a character that has a long history of appearing on children's Underoo's and lunchboxes. Sorry, but it does seem embarrassing to me that certain creators, and certain fans, find this sort of thing titillating in the context of superhero comics.
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Robert White
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And let's not all be coy. While I agree that male characters are sexualized just as much as the females, since the vast majority of readers are male, the perception is not the same; a fan looks at Batman's six pack abs and perfect physique as an ideal to aspire to or as a trait they wish they possessed. That said, the body paint look on males and females is absolutely ridiculous looking.
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James Howell
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I just can't understand how these amateurs think they can correct a professional's artwork with a straight face. Never in a million years would I have the gall to to that. Even if you don't like something, just don't like it and move on. People don't like one cover, and that gives them carte blanche to alter, photoshop, or correct a Legend's art who's body of work spans over 40 years?
Count me out on that one.
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Matt Reed
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Steve De Young wrote:
| I think this is yet another case of white male liberals with good intentions getting offended on behalf of other people, most of whom aren't offended themselves in the first place. |
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Generalizations. Love 'em!
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John Byrne
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That said, the body paint look on males and females is absolutely ridiculous looking.••• American superheroes -- absolutely ridiculous looking since 1938. Thanks for setting us straight on that!
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Robert Shepherd
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I think who ever is in charge at The Mary Sue crossed the line by editorializing a professional artist in a public forum like that. It's just in poor taste to do that.
I don't think every artist needs to draw 100% correct every second of their career. We wouldn't have personal styles if that were the absolute rule.
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QUOTE:
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Let me get this straight...you think that I include the costumes of Captain America, Batman, the FF, even Superman and Spider-Man as depicted for the first 50 years, in the body paint category? I've never once seen you draw a female in a classic costume that looks like it was spray painted on.
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Conrad Teves
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Robert>>That said, the body paint look on males and females is absolutely ridiculous looking.<<
To be fair to Manara here, his piece is almost fully painted, not predominantly line-art like most comics. Makes a big difference in how it reads.
Even literalists like Vallejo end up with stuff looking painted on In line-art, you can get away with extreme muscle definition that can't actually happen in real clothes. The more fully modeled it becomes, the more it looks like paint when you show such fine definition.
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John Byrne
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I've never once seen you draw a female in a classic costume that looks like it was spray painted on.••• Then I can't imagine what you've been looking at! Superhero costumes have been "spray painted on" since before I was born. When I was 10 years old, and talked my mother into making me a Batman costume for Halloween, her comment was that she would not be able to make it look as it did in the comics. "That looks like it's PAINT," she said. The issue is not with the costumes, per se. They've been beyond skintight since the first issue of ACTION COMICS. The issue is, rather, with the overt sexualization of the POSES. And that ship sailed decades ago.
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