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Matt Reed
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The range that allowed a 9 year old child to shoot an automatic weapon should be at fault.
The parents that said "hey, wouldn't it be fun for our 9 year old child to shoot an automatic weapon" should be at fault.
Instead, this will be swept under the rug as an isolated incident and people will forget about it in a month.
If Sandy Hook taught us nothing, this certainly won't and that's incredibly sad.
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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The name of the place got me - Bullets and Burgers. Name like that doesn't suggest a professional establishment, it sounds like they are actually trying to attract families with kids. Why not go the whole hog? Come down to Bullets and Teddybears and Lollipops, for all your murdering needs.
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Carmen Bernardo
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Here's where I come down: the parents get most of the blame for putting their 9-year old daughter into a situation like this. It wasn't the gun companies' fault. It was the fault of presumed adults who thought nothing about the inability of a child to
a) comprehend the actual purpose of a fully-automatic firearm (quick and efficient mass-killing), and
b) have the physical ability and mental capacity to control the recoil of said weapon.
This kind of foolishness is what gives the anti-gun rights faction the examples they need to take the guns away from the responsible adults who'd never put themselves or their children into situations like this. What ought to happen is for the parents to face some sort of indemnity for doing just that, and for the establishment what exposed the girl to the risk of what just happened to face the appropriate charges (i.e., unsafe operating conditions, endangerment, etc.).
I'm not for denying adults the right to own and operate firearms, provided they take responsibility for their actions and can understand the fact that it's a weapon and not a toy they're using. But I can see a prohibition against letting minors, convicted felons and persons of questionable mental stability own or possess them.
Edited by Carmen Bernardo on 28 August 2014 at 4:40am
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Stephen Churay
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I started shooting with my Dad at about age 5. But, at the same time,
enough common sense was had to start me off with a .22 caliber bolt
action rifle. Just to prove a point, before I shot, my Father put a 12
gauge round through a milk jug filled with water at about 15 yards, just
to show me the potential damage a firearm can cause. At that point,
gun safety was more important than if I hit the target or not. Giving a
nine year old an Uzi...might as well have given him a WMD. That's
way too much gun for a child that small. Now, this poor kid has to live
with what happened.
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David Teller
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Why does anyone need to own an assault rifle?
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Koroush Ghazi
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Because they're cool.
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Don Zomberg
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| Posted: 28 August 2014 at 6:50am | IP Logged | 7
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But I can see a prohibition against...
Prohibition? The Gun Lobby would like a few words with you...
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Stephen Robinson
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| Posted: 28 August 2014 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 8
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CARMEN: But I can see a prohibition against letting
minors, convicted felons and persons of questionable
mental stability own or possess them.
SER:
If adults can freely own guns, what is to prevent their
children from having access to them? It's a security
loophole but many gun rights advocates like to conjure up
stories of children protecting their home from intruders.
There is also the suggestion that if the felony is a non-
violent crime then is is reasonable to deny someone his
or her second amendment rights?
And although "mental health" is tossed around as a
preventative measure for most shootings, how do you
prevent the mentally ill from gaining access to guns. The
NRA didn't even support increasd background checks after
Sandy Hook. Also, unless regular medical check-ups are
required to maintain a gun license (similar to vision
check-ups required to maintain a driver's license), I
don't see how you stop deranged people from getting
weapons, especially in a culture where a private citizen
buying an arsenal is not considered odd.
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Stephen Churay
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Why does anyone need to own an assault rifle?
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Because they're cool.
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They are fun to shoot, if you know what you're doing.
The Federal Government does require that you buy a separate license
to own a fully automatic weapon. I have no idea if there's a test or if
you have to take some form of education to own them.
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John Byrne
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The original machine gun was created to turn every soldier into a marksman. It is nearly impossible to miss with a stream of bullets that go where you're pointing. But the machine gun had a profound, and largely unexpected, psychological effect. With conventional weapons, the shooter had to select a target -- another human being -- and then make the deliberate decision to SHOOT that person. But early machine guns were primitive. They jammed. They misfired. A great deal of physical and mental energy went into just keeping the gun working. The fact that it was being used to kill other human beings became somehow detached from the weapon, and the individual using it. But, in the end none of it matters. As I have said before, and has already been noted in this thread, Sandy Hook changed NOTHING. And that means nothing WILL change. The killers have won.
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Brian Peck
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| Posted: 28 August 2014 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | 11
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Burgers and Bullets
Closed
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Robbie Parry
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Gun laws very strict here (even the Olympic shooting team had to train outside UK). Farmers dealing with vermin have to get special permits. Even most of our cops are unarmed.*
I cannot imagine *wanting* to teach a nine-year old how to use a gun. Hypothetically speaking, let's imagine I was a farmer regularly dealing with vermin and the firearms licensing team gave me permission to own a gun. If I had a child, I wouldn't want to let him handle the gun until late teens at least. Maybe even later. And I'd be saying to him, "Son, this can be a deadly weapon and must only ever be used as a last resort to deal with animals that threaten our sheep."
Any life lost is tragic, but I'm shocked at an adult teaching a nine-year old how to handle a Uzi. :(
*Every force has an armed unit equivalent to a US SWAT team, though. The military police carry guns, but not on British soil. Ministry of Defence Police carry guns as they guard nuclear weapons. And Civil Nuclear Constabulary carry guns as they guard civilian nuclear power stations. We do have capabilities. ;)
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