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John Byrne
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Was that still true by 1998 or whenever the story was? Yeah they WERE connected -- Peter photographing Spider-Man all the time for the Bugle was a key part of who he was -- but was he still doing that by the time May came back? ••• Now you're just being ridiculous. Welcome to my Ignore list.
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Jason Schulman
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Wow. Y'know, JB, I've defended you for years against your detractors, but now you've made that impossible.
You're an asshole. It says nothing about the quality of your work, but that's what you are.
If you're not willing to even play nice with your defenders pretty soon you won't have any.
No point in my staying around this forum. I'd say "good-bye" but frankly if there were a God I wouldn't want Him to be with you.
Consider yourself Ignored too, you tired old misanthrope.
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Brad Brickley
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| Posted: 06 September 2014 at 7:35pm | IP Logged | 3
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Well, that got ugly. Time to move on.
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Stephen Robinson
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I started this thread because I enjoyed catching up on JB's Spider-Man
run. I'd hoped the discussion would remain positive. There are always
aspects of a work that are polarizing, but if someone started a "West
Coast Avengers" thread to celebrate the overall fun of the run, is it the
place to rehash the Vision debate? Beyond simply saying you liked the
new look?
JB participates in this forum on his free time. I can't imagine of us would
want to spend our free time having people nitpick our work. And in this
instance, I thought JB asked and answered the original question.
I'd like to think this isn't how people would behave in a dinner party, but
yet...
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Trevor Smith
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Not to derail the thread any further (so clearly that's what
I'm going to do...), but I find it interesting that one of the
qualities that people seem to like about JB is his direct, to
the point, suffer no fools gladly nature - until they become
the one that JB is being direct and to the point with. C'mon
guys, thicken up that skin.
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James Woodcock
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Why have a hobby if all you are going to do is point out its flaws (as you see them)? i don't like modern Marvel so I've stopped buying them. The weight of negatives got too much.
I still like older Marvel (hey, a case of 'Their older stuff was better!' and yes, I see the irony here) so I read and enjoy those stories. BUT, if all someone is interested in is deciding something and then coming up with ever wilder implausibilities to try to defend that position, then it really is time to leave the hobby.
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John Byrne
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One of the things that has puzzled me since I got into fandom, and then turned pro, is the way so many people seem unable to accept the basic conventions of the form. I wonder, do stamp collectors complain that the things they seek are so small? Do antique car collectors grumble that they can't find a vintage Duesenberg with a carbon fiber body?It's the same mentality that wants the characters to age in real time, or wear costumes with wrinkles. And it MAKES NO SENSE.
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Eric Smearman
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"It didn't work for me" might have sufficed. But that's just me.
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Francesco Vanagolli
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I reread the whole run (Chapter One plus Amazing and Peter Parker) this summer.
During the second half of the Nineties, after the Onslaught big event, Marvel relaunched almost every character. The post Onslaught stuff arrived in Italy when I was starting high school (exactly one year after the American release)... 14 years old, sometimes I thought I was... ulp... growing up and maybe I should drop comics. But I kept buying 'em. Why? Because they were fun!
Kurt Busiek, Mark Waid, Alan Davis, the Kubert brothers, Ron Garney, George Pérez... Marvel had some of the best talents in the biz and I was enjoying their work. When Marvel announced John Byrne was going to join this brigade of comic book creators to revamp Spider-Man, I was, well... amazed. My favorite creator, my favorite hero. Thank you.
I'll admit I had some problems with early issues: Spider-Man replaced? With no Internet spoilers (good times!) I was afraid that new status quo would endure for at least one year! I wasn't glad to see the previous subplots abruptly concluded. Oh, and aunt May... mh... civilians involved in "super" stuff, I considered that wrong, but honestly, killing off aunt May was the first wrong thing.
But the fact is, whatever I didn't like in the first couple of months, couldn't cancel the sense of fun I was having in those days. JB and Howard Mackie were writing Spider-Man... and they reminded us all what Spider-Man is. The hard luck super hero, the superhero who could be you. Spider-Man was a hero, and Spider-Man was what Peter Parker, the everyman, needed. In the previous years, too many times Peter's private life was a mess. No reader could relate with that stuff. Clones? His best friend becoming a villain (again!)? Dead parents back from the grave, later revealed as robots? Please, stop! In the good old days, Spider-Man was the escape from NORMAL problems. When JB and Howard Mackie started ruining Peter's life with surely tragic, but COMMON events, my only reaction could be... "Hey, they GOT IT!".
In those days, I started using Internet forums. Bad, bad idea. 30/40 years old Italian fans constantly complained about JB's Spider-Man and the rest of the Marvel line. "These are the same, old stories!".
Nope. There aren't "same, old stories". Just the "same, old readers".
14/17 years old, I hadn't spent my whole life reading comics, so, you know... maybe, eh, just maybe, those stories were NEW, for me. I still wanted to read Spider-Man, Captain America, Iron Man... in stories made for the Nineties, of course, but by creators keeping in their minds the lessons of the original creators.
A couple of year later, well... goodbye, sense of wonder, goodbye, fun.
That was the last Marvel I cared for.
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Howard Mackie
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"Howard -- altho I am sure he still delights in telling tales of the anguished phone calls he would get from me after I read the latest plot and saw the "impossible" things he was asking me to draw!"
And yet... you drew them! Once again proving that things are only impossible for lesser beings.
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Doug Centers
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Howard , that flaming Ghost Rider skull accompanied with post #666 is eerie.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 17 September 2014 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | 12
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(Somebody wanna tell Doug...?)
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