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Phil Kreisel
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Posted: 29 September 2014 at 11:13am | IP Logged | 1  

And let's not forget Kitty Pryde's initial crush on Colossus and the lengths she went to entice him (and how he, for the most part, refused to get deeper into the relationship than what Kitty wanted - even after John left the title).

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The Kitty/Peter thing was Chris.
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People often conflate the notion of "could have" with "should have" which can immediately make them miss the point of a story.


“There is a technical, literary term for those who mistake the opinions and beliefs of characters in a novel for those of the author. The term is 'idiot'.”  --Larry Niven

As for Joss Whedon's foot-fetish, it's about as real as the Illuminati/Reptillian symbolism in Star Trek:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eYNEhjKcjA  
It's only there if your perception filters for it.  Like noticing the number 42 crops up an awful lot after reading Douglas Adams.
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The Kitty/Peter thing was Chris.

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Thanks for clarifying that, JB. With respect to Kitty & Peter, I was going from memory in part from this panel (below) from Uncanny X-Men #143. Now that I've seen it again via posting, I can see her rationale was actually to lighten the mood and not anything overly sexual. And as JB left the X-Men title after this issue, any further Kitty/Peter things did come from Chris.

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Couldn't help but wryly note was was written at the end of that utterly insane Cracked article. When the author describes himself and who he is he gives us this little pearl of wisdom about himself:-
"..If you pay him, he will write words for you."

Yep. That says it all, all right.

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I was just reading a similarly crappy article on cracked.com, "5 TV Shows That Get More Praise Than They Deserve".(Big Bang Theory, Doctor Who, True Detective, Orange is The New Black, and Walking Dead).
One of those 'These shows suck, and if you like them, you suck, too, and oh, by the way, "Fuck" and "Shit"  ' articles, which just proves that stupidity is a fetish of that site. 
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---articles, which just proves that stupidity is a fetish of that site.

I'm -not- disagreeing with your conclusion Brian but merely riffing off it.

People (and there for sites/forums) like to complain. Complain about actors getting paid so much and any one of a million things in life. We -all- do it, complain that is and think complaining can be a good thing.

I assume it to be evolutionary, to be dissatisfied with the status quo. Pushing us to try new things. Aggitate us enough to get off our backsides.

It's an oft cited revelation that an artist who stops trying to get better at art, soon become stale and derivative. Complaining about how badly we do something or acknowledging that we could do something better.

Complaints are good, they push people to make changes, try and make things better but as you say, stupidity/ignorance, that is where the real problem lies and without attempting to mind read, I think that is the underlying problem for JB with so many loud bashers out there, who are perpetuating ignorance based on nothing of any substance. That has to be pretty frustrating.

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It's an oft cited revelation that an artist who stops trying to get better at art, soon become stale and derivative.

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Many of the complaints that have been leveled against my work spring from this. As I have mentioned before, I am terrified by the thought of stagnation. I am driven always to push, to twist, to try something new. And, yes, it doesn't always work. I'm fully aware that my career is a roller coaster of highs and lows. I only hope that, like a roller coaster, there is at least a forward motion involved.*

What I find frustrating is when the internet gives voice to the minibrains who have seized upon one idea, and who refuse to move past it. They can speak only in cliché, and others, no less capable of independent thought than they, pick up those same clichés.

The other day I came upon a post praising George Perez. George is worthy of every scrap of praise that can be sent in his direction, no question. Yet the poster, in praising George, took an unrelated and unnecessary shot at me. Along the lines of "Perez is great (unlike Byrne who sucks)." The comment neither enriched George, nor added anything of value to the post.

In some ways, it is reminiscent of the kind of fan-think that wants stories peppered with obscure and out-of-context references. THEY know what they mean, so it doesn't matter that such things disrupt flow and structure. They take the form of a "shout out to my homies" by the writer, himself an aging fanboy. Anyone writing commentary online knows he can toss in a "Byrne Sucks" and guarantee himself a cheer from the less intellectually endowed members of the peanut gallery.

I can draw some small solace from that fact that just a few decades ago it was Jack Kirby ("Jack the Hack") who occupied this role, before the Image Boys did one worthy thing, and elevated him to something like his proper status.

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* Roller coaster is not the best metaphor here, of course. After completing its journey, a car on a roller coaster ends up back at the lowest point!

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" Along the lines of "Perez is great (unlike Byrne who sucks)."

 

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This reminds me of how fans at a Baseball game will boo the visiting teams best player when they come up to bat. The ball player always takes that as a compliment.

This sounds like a George Perez fan who is booing the best of the rest. 

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JB>>I can draw some small solace from that fact that just a few decades ago it was Jack Kirby ("Jack the Hack") who occupied this role, before the Image Boys did one worthy thing, and elevated him to something like his proper status.<<

I've noticed one thing that often gets overlooked when judging any art, is the emotional attachment that develops over time.  This makes the old/new comparison a very unlevel playing field.  By now (heck, by long ago now) the Byrne/Claremont/Austin classic X-Men run has an enormous amount of attachment associated with it.  It's pretty tough for anything totally new to have that "I remember this fondly" feeling attached.  At the time, I remember complaints about the shift in JB's art style going into his run on Fantastic Four.  Now it's all kinds of classic.  Best ever. 

That emotional attachment is powerful stuff.  I remember when Lucasfilm finally decided to release the original cut of Star Wars on DVD, jiggly crawl and all.  Seeing the jiggly crawl at the beginning set off an emotional reaction I hadn't had since I was a kid.  Even though by any technical measure it was not as well done.  Old stuff has the advantage of having had a chance to weigh on you for years.  

Something new can have novelty and surprise going for it.  Those are also powerful, but in a very different way.  And you generally only get that once, because by the second time you remember it fondly.

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Off to the Blue Area I go.  I was just thinking how much I admire and miss comics like that Fantastic Four panel!  LOL
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