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Tshombe K. Hamilton
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I completely agree Greg...DK was a "What If" story that got legs and somehow made it into canon. As Miller likes to brag, it was he that completely changed the Batman/Superman relationship.
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Stephen Robinson
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I've recently come to think that my love for DARK KNIGHT
RETURNS is restricted to the first two issues -- before
Miller was influenced by WATCHMEN (I don't think I'm
mind reading here).
"The wind rises... tearing dead leaves free. Frogs croak
like a cartoon car alarm. Crickets pick up the chorus. A
wolf howls... I know how he feels."
Those first two issues were magical. The last two are
fine but they seem to get needless darker as I get
older.
I don't think I've *read* DK2 since it was released!
Talk about a bad taste in your mouth. I agree with
Brian's description of it.
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Brad Teschner
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Wow...looks like all comics can produce now is sequels and remakes
too!
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John Byrne
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Wow...looks like all comics can produce now is sequels and remakes too!••• Nothing new there, really. Batman was born in imitation of Superman. Both those characters would spawn countless clones, as well as hundreds of other characters trying to bottle that lightning again. What's really changed is you, the fans. No longer are you eight to ten year olds hunting the newsstands for the new issues. Now you know all that goes on behind the scenes. Telling stories about what goes on in the various publishing offices has become adventures in imagineering at least as complex as those actually producing the comics.
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Steve De Young
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What's really changed is you, the fans. No longer are you eight to ten year olds hunting the newsstands for the new issues.
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What you're saying here is basically true, JB, but as it pertains to DK3, when was the last time Frank Miller made a comic aimed at eight to ten year olds? And that includes, sadly, his 'goddamn' Batman work.
This seems to me less in the category of telling a Spider-Man or Batman story that's similar to one from ten years ago, and more in the category of Before Watchmen, trying to market half-rate sequels to the comics that helped wreck the industry to an aging fanbase.
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Wilson Mui
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Bill Sienkiewicz was asking on Twitter to be part of DK3. Not sure if he was joking or not. Is each issue going to be a different artist?
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Bob Harvey
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I see a lot of comments on other sites referencing Frank Miller's impending death. Is this a verified thing, or just gossip?
I've been rereading a bunch of his stuff lately; he really was nailing it for at least a decade there.
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Taavi Suhonen
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Recent photos of Miller look like he's in very poor health. That must be where they are getting "impending death" from.
As for DK3, I don't even like the first one that much - it's not a bad comic and I understand why some people are fond of it, but it's not my cup of tea. I don't think it ever needed sequels or prequels and the one sequel we already have was a mess that contradicted the original's ending.
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Steven Legge
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Based on armchair internet doctors' diagnosis, he should have died about a year and a half ago. I'll give the book a chance, but DK2 was... err...
not my cup of tea. And I'm with Mr. Robinson on DK1.
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Paul Greer
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Depending on who the artist is, I will probably take a pass. I thought
Dark Knight Returns was a fantastic one in done "What If?" future tale of
Batman. The second was an odd Justice League story that becomes
one of those sequels that actually hurts the original.
The third sounds more like Frank providing a plot or editorial imput and
other people doing the rest. Miller's recent track record (for whatever
resson) hasn't been that of completing projects. His Xeres project only
had a few preview pages published in Dark Horse Presents and nothing
else materialized in comic form. Yet it still spawned a movie deal. He
was solicited to co-write a recent Rusty and Big Guy story with Darrow
for Dark Horse Presents. By the time the story was published Miller
wasn't even listed in the credits.
Unless a John Romita Jr. is announced for this project I will most likely
take a pass.
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John OConnor
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Getting Klaus Janson back on the book would go along way towards piquing my interest...
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John Byrne
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Getting Klaus Janson back on the book would go along way towards piquing my interest...•• Klaus has moved a long way from the inks he was producing 30 years ago.
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