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John Byrne
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Over in the STAR TREK - NEW VISIONS thread, Andrew Hess had this to say: "I think the main problem [my son has] had with these photo novels is that they're not quite a comic book…"Which prompted me to comment that this raises the Eternal Question: what is? What is a comic book? The products we see for sale these days have very little in common with what was introduced back around 1934. They are different in size, page count, production values, content. And that's just the regular half-tab format. What about graphic novels/albums, trade paperbacks, and all the other combinations? I spent a good portion of my career looking for a better descriptive term than "comic book." One that might have fewer people at parties wanting to tell me funny things that happened to them, so I can use them in my COMIC books. I saw the rise of "graphic novel," first in its original sense, just describing a format, to its more snobby current sense, which often seems to assume the term describes content. It's pushed me back to "comic books." They're ALL comic books. Opinions?
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Donald Miller
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In my eyes, they are all comics.
The comic art form is unique and should be celebrated.
A graphic novel has always meant to me a one and done story using the comic form for the story telling.
It's all comics.
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Petter Myhr Ness
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To me, a comic book is any kind of publication that uses art to tell a story, usually with the help of words. Comic book is the all-encompassing term, I believe. A "graphic novel" is a comic book, but a comic book is not only a "graphic novel" (which in my mind is just a fancy term for a collection of comic book stories).
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Richard Stevens
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I tend to just say "comics," and occasionally "paperback" if something is a paperback. All I know for sure is "floppy" annoys me.
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Peter Martin
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Comics or comic books are as good as a term as any to cover the whole gamut of stories told by sequential art.
The term graphic novel tends to hinder rather than help, as most seem unable to differentiate between a graphic novel and a trade paperback.
Is it only English that has this problem? The terns bandes-dessinées and manga seem to be less ambiguous (i.e. people don't think they have to be funny).
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Koroush Ghazi
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While the term graphic novel may be too pretentious, I'm quite partial to
a slight variation of it: graphical fiction.
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Jason Scott
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When I bought a lot more than I do today, I used to distinguish Graphic novels as being original, somewhat lengthier, one shot tales. As opposed to collections of reprinted material that I reserved the term 'trade paperbacks' for. Not sure where exactly I picked up the latter term, but my teenage self used to get a mite irritated when people called them graphic novels.
Actual issues of a series though were always comic books to me, and so they shall remain..
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John Byrne
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While the term graphic novel may be too pretentious, I'm quite partial to a slight variation of it: graphical fiction.•• Graphical? Is that a word?
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Jack Bohn
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Is the question what to call them? (I was going to note that advertising has perhaps worn some of the snobbishness off the term "graphic novel" by applying it to everything from Dennis the Menace collections to Avengers to Will Eisner.)
Or is the question what IS comic books, such that these photoplays are, "not quite a comic book"? Could it be they are interpreted as being like the fotonovels that preceded them, merely a collection of frames from a movie rather than composed for storytelling in their on right? I'm not familiar with fumetti, before digital manipulation, when collage techniques would have had to have been used, did anyone try to take the images beyond what could be posed and shot?
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Stephen Robinson
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I also embrace the term "comic book." Fans keep running
from it, as though they can flee association with the
perceived worst examples of the medium. There's BREAKING
BAD and there's KEEPING UP WITH THE KARDASHIANS. They
are both "TV shows." There's hardcore porn and there's
historical drama. They're all movies.
I would consider the aptly titled NEW VISIONS a "comic
book." The medium is ultimately the same as JB's
FANTASTIC FOUR or SUPERMAN. Manipulating photography to
create images rather than manipulating lines on paper
shouldn't be the "breaking point." After all, isn't
JURASSIC PARK or the STAR WARS prequels still "movies"
even though CGI is used instead of puppets to create
certain characters?
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James Howell
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Comic book fandom and self-loathing about reading them seem to go hand in hand.
People read the funny pages, (which comic books got their start, they were just collected reprints of comic strips) so why is that more accepted than reading comics?
No one mocks those who enjoy political cartoons.
Comic book fans who turn pro seem to care an awful lot about people who put these arbitrary rules and opinions on comics who will never actually buy them.
The problem with that is taking those beliefs, and injecting that self hate onto the characters.
Why do we cater to people that think comic books are dumb?
Why don't we just tell them to go screw and go right back to reading?
Cause the nerd/outcast WANTS to be ACCEPTED.
With the advent of Comic Book Films, and "Nerd Culture", this is Fandom's big chance to sit at the Cool Table.
Only thing is, Fandom is Charlie Brown
and the Mainstream is Lucy with the football.
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Brian Miller
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To paraphrase Billy Joel: It's all comic books to me.
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