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Trevor Smith
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I am not a number, I am a free man! (Yes, I know what
the "#" is)
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John Young
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You are #6, Who is #1.
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Dave Phelps
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Kevin Hagerman wrote:
| I just don't want four to eight more years of Republicans losing their shit over every goddamn thing the president does. |
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You'd get that no matter which Democrat wins. Hilary takes a lot of shots now because she's the presumptive nominee, but a President Sanders wouldn't have an easier time of it.
The problem is that supporting a political opponent and their policies (even when it's something you'd been pitching for before they agreed with you) is seen as a losing strategy. It can only help them get re-elected while hurting your chances in the next Primary.
"He does a good job, but I think it could be done better" isn't nearly as compelling as "he's trying to destroy our country!!!!!!" I guess.
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Vinny Valenti
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"I don't see the contradiction"
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Why bend over backwards to ensure that Bin Laden's body is disposed of in an offical Islam-approved manner if he wasn't a true Muslim?
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Wilson Mui
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I think the government did it, so the Muslim world wouldn't be upset.
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Michael Roberts
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Why bend over backwards to ensure that Bin Laden's body is disposed
of in an offical Islam-approved manner if he wasn't a true Muslim?
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Because whether or not Obama, the government or whoever
considered bin Laden not a true Muslim, Muslims would see it as
disrespecting Islam if he were buried inappropriately. Why should the
government feed the Al-Qaeda propaganda machine?
And how exactly was the government "bending over backwards"? The
procedures were no more onerous than any other funeral rites.
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Kevin Hagerman
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We've see this time and time again where ISIS, or domestic terrorist like Nidal Hasan and the Tsarnaev Brothers, claim they are doing what they do in large part for religious reasons, only to have the administration and news media dismiss it. Why? -------------- The KKK consider themselves reg'lar Christian folk, but I have yet to see a Christian called on the carpet like I have the whole goddamn Muslim world over terrorism. ***** We're never going to understand, let alone defeat, this enemy by ignoring their stated motivations.
---------- That is a point worth considering, but writing it off as Islam is reductive. It does the opposite. "No, they aren't mad because we've been pissing in their yard for two generations; it's just that they're towelheads."
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Glen Keith
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Acknowledging ISIS core beliefs isn't the same as saying, "they're mad because they're Muslims." However, ignoring or dismissing that aspect makes it impossible to truly comprehend why they are doing what they're doing. You wouldn't be able to understand the likes of the Westboro Baptist Church by only looking at their secular motivations, and taking into account their religious motivations doesn't mean that all Christians must answer for them. Oh, sure, there may be some who will happily assume that all Muslims are mad, but they won't understand ISIS anymore than those who claim that it's all about borders drawn up in 1919. All the puzzle pieces are important and removing one, for whatever reason, yields an incomplete picture.
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Vinny Valenti
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"Muslims would see it as disrespecting Islam if he were buried inappropriately. Why should the government feed the Al-Qaeda propaganda machine?"
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We fed the machine by invading Pakistan and killing Bin Laden in the first place. I don't think the body disposal method would really sway a potential Al Qaeda recruit.
And I can't see how the non-radical Muslim community at large would feel disrespected over what we do with the remains of a man that they felt perverted the teachings of their religion, anyway.
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Michael Roberts
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And I can't see how the non-radical Muslim community at large would
feel disrespected over what we do with the remains of a man that they
felt perverted the teachings of their religion, anyway.
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Of course you can't.
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Michael Penn
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And I can't see how the non-radical Muslim community at large would feel disrespected over what we do with the remains of a man that they felt perverted the teachings of their religion, anyway.
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As a matter of strict logic, I understand what you're saying, Vinny. But as a matter of realpolitik, not to mention dealing with the rational and even irrational passions that religion arouses, don't you think that de rigueur superficial "respect" was the best choice?
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John Bodin
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To get back on the topic of Donald Trump, I found this interesting:
Link: http://nypost.com/2015/08/29/pendulum-factor-could-land-trum p-in-white-house/
Interesting points to ponder (not saying anything one way or the other about Trump as a Presidential hopeful, just regarding the "pendulum factor" impact on past elections, as they've analyzed things in the article).
[edited for typo]
Edited by John Bodin on 01 September 2015 at 11:15am
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