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John M. Jackson
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People like Trump because they see him as honest.
He might also be an A-hole, but at least he's an honest A-hole.
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Kip Lewis
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The strangest comments I have seen so far are are from
people saying they will vote for him because the staff
at a Trump hotel was so nice. There are also a growing
number of comments calling Trump an American patriot.
I suppose he feels strongly about the country, but I
question his point of view on many issues.
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Sadly, I think both sides suffer from this. I saw a
piece of the "man on the street" type of interview at
a college and people were asked about Hilary. They
planned to vote for her, but knew practically nothing
about her or the other people running. I guess they
were just following the sound-bites.
I don't know which is worse, people voting for someone
in ignorance or tradition or people who really aren't
voting for their candidate but voting against the
other candidate. (And sadly I have been in that last
category, too many times.)
Really, have our elections come down to this?
Edited by Kip Lewis on 25 July 2015 at 6:56am
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Brian Rhodes
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People like Trump because they see him as honest.
He might also be an A-hole, but at least he's an honest A-hole.
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John M. Jackson
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You might not like what he says, but has he really lied about something?
Anyway, Republicans are tired of being told one thing by the GOP leadership (Boehner and McConnell) and then have them do the exact opposite.
That's why Eric Cantor lost his election.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/24/senate-fl oor-ted-cruz-explodes-on-mitch-mcconnell-says-he-lied-to-ent ire-republican-conference/
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Kevin Brown
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The moment ANYONE posts a breitbart link, I ignore whatever it is they have to say from that moment forward. It's troll-fodder.
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John M. Jackson
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In other words, you are saying you are close minded
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Brad Teschner
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He might also be an A-hole, but at least he's an honest A-hole.
There's a clear distinction between honest a-hole and ignorant bigot!
Trump is clearly the latter.
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John M. Jackson
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I know people like to grab onto quick sound bites and ignore everything else that he said.
But all he was saying is that we are not getting a true representative sample of Mexicans and that we are actually getting a higher criminal element.
Yes, he was very inarticulate, but that's what he meant.
Personally, I would take all 120 million plus Mexicans if they would let the U.S. annex them.
There is a big difference between the mass immigration of the late 19th century/early 20th century, and that is entitlement programs.
They are unsustainable as is without adding a bunch of low income workers who will receive more than they contribute.
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Brian Miller
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But all he was saying is that we are not getting a true representative sample of Mexicans and that we are actually getting a higher criminal element.
Yes, he was very inarticulate, but that's what he meant.
****************** So, what he was REALLY saying was that the only Mexicans we get from Mexico are criminals and not the good ones. Got it.
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John M. Jackson
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Brian, that's obviously not what I said, but I am sure that's all you took from it.
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Joseph Gauthier
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...people who really aren't voting for their candidate but voting against the other candidate. (And sadly I have been in that last category, too many times.)
Believe me, Kip, as a constitutional conservative I've been in those shoes too; in fact, in every presidential election I've ever voted in. It's not fun, and it's a hard way to win elections, but aside from that, I don't understand why it's such a bad thing. I participate in my party's nominating contests, trying to secure the nomination for the candidate of my choice, but even if the nomination goes to a candidate I actively despise (such as John McCain in 2008), I'll vote Republican in the general election every time for two important reasons- first, to oppose the Democrat candidate, but not in the way that I would cheer for the Milwaukee Brewers over the St. Louis Cardinals, but rather because I find the general philosophy and party platform of the Republican party more satisfactory than those of the Democrat party and I wish to empower the levers and mechanisms through which that platform can be achieved. But the second reason I hold to a my candidate in the primary, the Republican nominee in the general philosophy is even more fundamental than the first- as a Republican voter, I hold an out-sized influence over the policy of Republican office holders in a way that I could never hold over a Democrat; if I withhold my support for a Republican, I can hurt that office holder in ways I could never hurt a Democrat, and therefore I can affect their policy choices in ways I never could those of a Democrat. I learned this lesson well, or at least had it brought into sharp relief over the course of the two most recent presidential administrations: a conservative revolt from what would eventually become the Tea Party forced George W. Bush to withdraw his nomination of Harriet Miers for Supreme Court as well as his support for McCain-Kennedy style immigration reform, but overwhelming conservative resistance to obamacare didn't manage to stop even a single so-called Blue Dog Democrat from voting for the bill's passage.
Obviously I would prefer a true friend in office, but when faced with other choices, I'll take a sometimes friend that I can hurt every time over an opponent I can't touch.
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Trump's idea to build a 2,000 mile fence makes no sense to me considering the cost involved. Anyway, illegal immigration has actually been declining the last few years.
I would not trust anything out of his mouth. Apparently, he is not even honest about how much money he has. I read that he values his golf properties at multiple of what they should be.
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