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Paul Greer
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Matt, it isn't the art that has me waiting for Frank's creative juices to
flow. I am waiting for Frank to give me a story as good as DKR,
Daredevil, Ronin or most of his Sin City. His storytelling ability as a
writer is what has put me off to his work the past fifteen years. His art is
awesomely grotesque and fun to look at. I was joking about the Super-
Penis but it is indicative that Miller goes more for shock than telling a
good (and coherent) story.
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John Cole
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I've only ever really liked Frank's work when Denny O'Neil was there to reign him in when needed.
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Steven Legge
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There is a Batman cover they've recently released that he did that is much less wacky and more of probably what people expect from Frank.
I thought that Superman image was more Mad Magazine than anything.
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Marc Baptiste
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I love Frank Miller's work - have since I was in my teens! But to be honest, I still have yet to be able to make it through DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN.
Marc
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Eric Smearman
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"I thought that Superman image was more Mad Magazine than
anything."
That thought crossed my mind, too.
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David Farley
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I like it.
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Richard White
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I'm loving the boards response to this, absolutely
fascinating.
JB really nails it though.
I wouldn't want Frank to be working on either Batman
or Superman regulary, but there is on odd power to his
art, no matter how ugly it may be. I love it.
Funniest comment I heard was a genuine suggestion
about Frank perhaps learning anatomy from Rob
Liefeld. I say funny but very sad indeed.
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Robert LaGuardia
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The coloring of DK2, especially the first issue, was more off putting to
me. The art itself wasn't my favorite but there's still some great images
and Miller's page designs and storytelling are as strong as ever.
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Robert LaGuardia
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Richard the difference between Liefeld and Miller is that Miller knows
the "rules"and intentionally breaks them, whether you like what's he
does is besides the point. Liefeld never learned the rules.
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Anthony J Lombardi
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My first issue of Daredevil was issue 158. It was also my first exposure to Frank Miller. I thought that issue was fantastic. I expected to be a fan of Frank Miller for a long time. Unfortunately it went down hill fast. It was around the time of The Dark Knight Returns that I found those Daredevil issues. When I saw what Miller had evolved into I was so put off. He changed his style so much.
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Stephen Robinson
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I have grown to really dislike Frank Miller's Batman -- enough so that I
don't even consider him Batman but some different character entirely.
*My* Batman is Dick Sprang's caped crusader who fights crime with a
smile. *My* Batman is the sleek Neal Adams Dark Knight detective
chasing after the Joker in the sand.
Miller's Batman smiles... but in an almost deranged way, as if he enjoys
inflicting violence. HIs Batman started the trend of the character being
depicted with a torn costume and with a couple days' beard growth.
He's Wolverine with more gadgets. And that's not Batman to me.
When I see people online discussing BATMAN V. SUPERMAN and how
"cool" Batman is and how "lame" Superman is, I can't help but also think
of the generation of fans who made the same claim about Wolverine and
Cyclops.
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Brad Hague
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I won't say "his older work was better".
But I will say that I very much adore and admire Frank's work up until about 1982 when he left Daredevil. I liked very much his covers in the late 70's and early 80's as well as Spider-Man Annual 15 and some other select Marvel titles.
Since he moved to DC and starting with Ronin, I have lost interest in him. I felt like the DK series was grasping at efforts to be relevant by being shocking and that the Sin City stuff was just a more sexual and violent extension of that. I have actively disliked everything he has done since the 1990's. And don't get me started about his Hollywood career.
The fact that I know he CAN produce (what I consider) magnificent pieces of art and no longer does so is similar to the waste of talent that Brian Wilson (the main songwriter and producer of the Beach Boys) underwent from about 1970 to 1988.
What some people call progression others call arrested development.
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