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Jeffrey Rice
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Thor in Avengers #1 was clearly in tune with his Asgardian self. He spotted Loki's signature mischief and travelled across realms to confirm it. Hardly the work of a human with Thor's hammer.
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I wonder if anyone has taken the time to sit down and track the transformation of Thor? The first time a "verily" showed up in his speech patterns, for instance. Did it happen slowly, or did Stan just one day have an "Oh, why not?" moment?

(Obviously I am not so well versed on the Odinson as I am on other aspects of the Marvel Universe.)

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Again, THOR! Even the Hulk could not stand against the power the Odinson can unleash.

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The one thing he fears!
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By "Journey Into Mystery" #85, Loki and Asgard and other gods were all introduced (that's Thor's third issue) and by #86, we got Odin. In #85, Thor is thinking in Don Blake's voice -- oh, this is Loki, according to Norse legends, the trickster god, etc. But by #86, Thor is off calling on Odin as his father, and there seems to be no concept of Don Blake being Thor's "rightful self," which is what as Thor he thought in prior issues.
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It could be that Stan was slowly changing his mind about who and what Thor really was. His first appearance seems to say out right that Don Blake was a doctor with a bum leg who stumbled upon a walking stick that gave him "the power of Thor."

Didn't take long, I guess, before it turns out Blake was Thor all along, just "humbled" by Odin through a change into the form of Don Blake--which the walking stick temporarily undid. And then he was just Thor all the time.

When did Don Blake pretty much disappear from the scene entirely? Seems like it was in the early 70s.
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It could be that Stan was slowly changing his mind about who and what Thor really was. His first appearance seems to say out right that Don Blake was a doctor with a bum leg who stumbled upon a walking stick that gave him "the power of Thor."

Didn't take long, I guess, before it turns out Blake was Thor all along, just "humbled" by Odin through a change into the form of Don Blake--which the walking stick temporarily undid. And then he was just Thor all the time.

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It wasn't so much about Stan changing his mind, as it was about him breaking one of his own rules -- albeit a rule he probably hadn't thought of at that point. (This might have been what created the rule, after the fact!)

"Never give the fans what they think they want," the Man hath wisely said, but Marvel was deluged by demands from anal retentive fans (yes, they existed even back then) who wanted to know where the "real Thor" had been all the time that stick was lying in that cave. Stan eventually answered the question. And, for a lot of us, not satisfactorily, as it severely damaged Don Blake.

Oh, for a time machine, and a chance to whisper in Stan's ear! "No, see, Ragnarok was about to happen, and Thor sacrificed himself to save Asgard, and in order that his son not perish entirely, Odin transferred Thor's power into the hammer, and then transformed the hammer into a stick, casting upon it the enchantment that the right 'worthy' man would be able to summon that power."

The singularly stupid thing, of course, is that even after the "true" story of who and what Don Blake was had been revealed, later writers insisted on invoking the "if he be worthy" enchantment, something which should have been forgotten (along with so much early Marvel lore) once we knew Blake had "always" been Thor.

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albert ray thorp
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And we all know that superman is worthy and should be able to lift the hammer.

and captain america too.
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Albert Ray Thorp: "And we all know that superman is worthy and should be able to lift the hammer. [A]nd captain america too."

Both of which have happened. Wonder Woman has lifted Mjolnir too (among others... it's a fun trivia question: "Who has been able to lift Mjolnir?"

In fact (spoiler? This scene was in the commercials, but whatever), in the movie "Avengers: Age of Ultron", when the heroes are trying to lift Mjolnir, watch Thor's face. He's laughing and mocking the others... until Steve Rogers goes to lift it. Then he suddenly looks concerned.

Of course, Steve SHOULD have been able to lift it. And in my opinion - the Vision lifting Mjolnir maybe should be like the later mentioned elevator "lifting" Mjolnir.
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They should have kept it as no-one can lift it but Thor, or it's too much of a slippery slope.
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... until Steve Rogers goes to lift it. Then he suddenly looks concerned.

That's because Rogers actually budged it.
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But wasn't "worthy" enough to actually lift it.

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Sorry to thread drift but has it ever been outlined what
one has to do to be deemed "worthy"? When the hammer
was enchanted I assume things like loyal to the king of
Asgard and defeating a Frost Giant in combat would be in
the list of worthy traits.
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