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Kevin Hagerman
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The most important thing I ever learned about Superman is that Clark Kent is Superman, not vice versa. Completely changed how I read the stories.
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Josh Goldberg
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"With Wonder Woman rescuing an infant Donna from a fire, that would mean Diana (and Superman, Batman, etc) had been active for close to, if not longer than, twenty years." ****
Damn. I'd never thought of that. "Who is Donna Troy?" is a fondly remembered comic story from my youth (and one that I've re-read several times), but I never questioned the internal timeline, I just rolled with the narrative and enjoyed it.
That being said, how long had the pre-Crisis, Earth-1 Wonder Woman been active? I may be mixing and matching continuities in my head, but was she an immortal who served in World War II as well as the modern day? Or did she not come to "Man's World" before Silver Age JLA characters hit the scene?
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Wallace Sellars
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The most important thing I ever learned about Superman is that Clark Kent is
Superman, not vice versa. Completely changed how I read the stories.
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Kevin, would you explain what you mean and how it impacted your reading?
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Thom Price
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I may be mixing and matching continuities in my head, but was she an immortal who served in World War II as well as the modern day?
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Wonder Woman's pre-CRISIS continuity was a muddle, but I believe all of the Silver Age WWII adventures were assumed to be about the Earth-Two Wonder Woman. I don't believe there was any indication that Earth-One's Wonder Woman was active prior to Superman or Batman.
But, as I said ... muddle.
Edited by Thom Price on 09 February 2016 at 12:39pm
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Peter Martin
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Problem: our continuity is an impenetrable obstacle to new readers
Solution: do a high profile series that focuses on our impenetrable continuity!
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Andrew W. Farago
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It's interesting that Crisis was, in a lot of ways, DC's answer to Secret Wars, as a big twelve-issue crossover that affected every single character. Marvel's approach was to make a comic that almost read like a coloring book--big, bold pictures of popular characters, every character awkwardly identifying every other character by name and delivering loads of exposition in every panel, with the simplest possible vocabulary words, while DC went with about 200 characters crammed into every panel, had half of the action take place in tie-in issues without offering any kind of resolution in the main title, and figured that it was mostly diehard fans reading the book anyway.
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Brian O'Neill
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Josh: That being said, how long had the pre-Crisis, Earth-1 Wonder Woman been active? I may be mixing and matching continuities in my head, but was she an immortal who served in World War II as well as the modern day? Or did she not come to "Man's World" before Silver Age JLA characters hit the scene?
As with Superman and Batman, there was no exact 'changeover' to the Earth-1 version. Some say that the dividing line is when Robert Kanigher and Ross Andru replaced the original writer(Moulton) and artist (Peter), circa 1958. (Wonder Woman's origin was updated accordingly, with Steve Trevor surviving a jet crash, and no reference to WWII). This predated the debut of the JLA by approximately a year, but ther was no indication that the Silver Age version hadn't had 'Earth-1' equivalents of most of the Golden Age stories. predated the deby
Edited by Brian O'Neill on 09 February 2016 at 2:09pm
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Brian O'Neill
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(Sorry about the typos in the last post; I'm on a touchscreen, and no matter how many times I tried to get rid of that last line, I kept 'touching' the 'Enable Forum Codes' checkbox).
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John Byrne
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The invention of Earth 2 caused SO many anal fanboys to come close to implosion. WHEN did the "break" occur?? Unlike Flash, Hawkman, Atom, etc, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman had unbroken runs from their first day of publication. The Superman who was a founding member of the JLA would "logically," be the same Superman who was a founding member of the JSA.Unless, you know, these were just fantasies and not meant to be considered as one immutable whole...
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Robbie Parry
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Unless, you know, these were just fantasies and not meant to be considered as one immutable whole...
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I agree.
Why is it James Bond and Sherlock Holmes fans seem to manage without being anal/pedantic about continuity/timelines?
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Trevor Thompson
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It's amazing the amount of effort made by editors and writers to 'fill in' background details about characters the average comic book reader couldn't give two hoots about. All I cared about was reading exciting stories. It's only now that I've rekindled my interest in comics that I've begun to learn about multiple earths, characters' ages and what not. It's fascinating how little interest I took in the details.
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Peter Martin
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Bond and Holmes are an interesting comparison.
Both Bond under Fleming and Holmes under Conan Doyle have coherent and consistent continuities. Later writers have dabbled -- but we all know these aren't the real adventures :)
The Bond franchise dips its toe into the madness of DC-style addressing continuity on screen in Casino Royale. Previously someone could take over the role without having to do a self-conscious and illogical reboot, yet they felt the need to do so with this one, as if the Bond-starting-out aspect was core to the book (which it wasn't, in my opinion, merely incidental). Crazily they too took it further with Moneypenny turning up 'for the first time' in Skyfall.
Previously, Bond was Bond, M was M and nothing needed explaining. Now we have had Dench newbie M dressing down Cold War dinosaur Bond alongside oldish/newish Moneypenny in Goldeneye, then old Dench M with newbie Bond in Casino Royale, then dead Dench M with not-so newbie Bond (who has the car from Goldfinger somehow) and newbie Moneypenny in Skyfall. Me no understand.
Edited by Peter Martin on 09 February 2016 at 3:05pm
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