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John Byrne
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Doom thinks Reed believes himself to be the smarter of the two. Such a consideration is not ever on Reed's mind, but Doom cannot imagine that. So he wants to crush and humiliate Reed -- emphasis on the later. He wants to destroy Reed, not just kill him. (DAMN I MISS THESE CHARACTERS!!!!!)
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John Mariani
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(DAMN I MISS THESE CHARACTERS!!!!!)
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So do we, JB, so do we.
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Gundars Berzins
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Ahhh all is this Doom talk, wonderful.
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Andrew Bitner
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There's a reason why Doom is one of the great villains in all of comics...and his fixation on Reed Richards is at the heart of all of that, IMHO.
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Andrew Bitner
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JB: ...we now know that the cosmic ray event was a "Forbush Maximum."
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What in the world is a "Forbush Maximum"?
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Joseph Gauthier
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Thinking about Doom's response to his own mistakes and failures, and his inability to empathize with those effected by the consequences, I think it's extremely telling that given the one time he seemed to show empathy to the victim of one of those failures (Kristoff), he still managed to make the consequences all about himself- by transforming the victim into himself, almost literally making himself the victim. In a Jungian sense, at least.
It's a darn shame we never got the chance to see the real ending to that story...
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Trevor Smith
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"What in the world is a "Forbush Maximum"?"
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Ronald Joseph
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FORBUSH MAXIMUM
"... and the increase in the magnetic field (suggested by the increase in the rigidity of the galactic cosmic-ray variation spectrum after the Forbush maximum)..."
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Peter Martin
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The way I see it:
Reed and Doom are on a par with each other. Obviously both geniuses. Doom's is a more grandiose, daring intellect. Impulsive, greater leaps in thinking, but less cognisant of risk. Reed is perhaps more precise.
I would think that if they were 'real', Doom's intellect would be more immediately impressive, but I'd trust Reed's thinking more in the long run.
As so many have perceptively pointed out, Doom is thwarted/flawed by his own ego. Reed may have an ego, but he is no slave to it.
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Peter Martin
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So, to phrase it in less sitting on the fence language.
Reed for me is ultimately smarter, because he is more likely to be right.
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Stephen Robinson
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In JB's first three Doom stories, Doom has flat-out won (or is close to it) but
his obsession with humiliating Reed deprives him of victory*. In No. 236 (a
classic Doom/FF story only four issues into a run -- that's just showing off),
Doom could have easily killed the FF but kept them alive in order to
mentally torture Reed. In No. 247, he lets the FF leave (even though they
can't physically harm him at the moment) because he wants a more "fitting"
victory. (I also love that in that issue, Doom has a clear win). And in No. 260,
he actually stops Terrax from killing Sue, Ben, and Johnny because Reed
isn't present.
I also appreciated how, at least when JB was writing the character, Reed did
not match Doom in a personal obsessive grudge. He certainly viewed Doom
as their greatest enemy but Doom had never successfully "personalized"
their war -- he hadn't killed someone close to him (The Joker and Jason
Todd or The Reverse Flash and Nora Allen).
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Andrew Bitner
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It's a good point, Stephen. Doom's obsession is intensely personal but he has never stooped to threatening Reed's family. I think he would find that sort of thing dishonorable and beneath him.
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