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Robbie Parry
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Mediocre stories, inconsistent art, unable to use any major villains. ***
It's a shame when that happens. I do recall the lack of major villains.
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Craig Markley
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I liked it as a kid. It was a time when I was trying to find superheroes who weren't in the Avengers, Defenders or JLA. I thought Black Goliath was cool. That's how I came across the X-Men. To me, they really were ALL-NEW, ALL-DIFFERENT
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Robbie Parry
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I suppose in a topic like this, I need to appreciate people's different mindsets at the time. If you were a big fan of, say, Ghost Rider or Hercules, then a book like THE CHAMPIONS may have been a godsend for you; if, however, you only had a very mild interest in any of the characters, the book might have elicited a "So what?" response from you.
Some people don't appreciate that. Erik Larsen was quite hostile to me once when I mentioned I liked Shocker (the Spider-Man villain). So what? We all have our favourites.
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Greg Woronchak
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Robbie, John Romita sure made the Shocker look good lol.
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I loved the Champions with JB. After reading the whole run, I really felt that with the arrival of JB and the writing, the Champions started to find their strength as a team. But it was cut short with the story involving Doom and Magneto (follow-up of Super-Villains team-up). Too bad in my opinion.
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Robbie Parry
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Robbie, John Romita sure made the Shocker look good lol.
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Are you being facetious? ;)
Shocker is just a character I've always liked for many reasons. Larsen didn't want to understand that in a chat I had.
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Eric Jansen
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I liked THE CHAMPIONS, it was a quirky mix! It did have a rocky 70's start, but it could have gone somewhere. Hercules definitely needs to be the star of a team book--that's perfect for him!--and he and Black Widow seemed right together somehow. The Angel and Iceman also made a good team and could have handled their own feature, so they worked too. Ghost Rider seemed like the odd man out though, and being part of a team did not work for him at all--but he looked cool!
The Avengers--"Everyone we've got"
The Defenders--"Everybody's that's left"
The Champions--"Everybody ELSE that's left!"
I always hoped for a CHAMPIONS revival starring Hercules and a new team; I liked the name and I liked Hercules in a team, but I knew a smaller company got the trademark on the name (quite a coup!) so Marvel couldn't use it anymore. However, Marvel just announced a new CHAMPIONS book--with a total hodgepodge of members! Of course, aren't ALL their teams now?
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Robbie Parry
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I liked the name and I liked Hercules in a team, but I knew a smaller company got the trademark on the name (quite a coup!)
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I know nothing about legalities, but how can you trademark a fairly generic name? Confused.
I can understand something like Justice League of America being trademarked, but Champions? It's fairly generic, used in many contexts, etc.
Does that mean, for example, that a comic company wishing to do a comic about an NFL Superbowl-winning team couldn't use a term like "champions"?
Edited by Robbie Parry on 15 July 2016 at 2:56pm
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No major villains? But... THE CHAMPIONS gave us RAMPAGE, birthed out of the 1970s' Recession!
Edited by Matt Hawes on 15 July 2016 at 3:59pm
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I first heard about them in the OHOTMU "inactive teams" section. I thought it was an interesting mix of characters and I liked the series well enough when I picked up the back issues. But when you have a series that only lasts 17 issues and is never seen again, you're going to have a reputation as being a second rate team. :-)
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Does that mean, for example, that a comic company wishing to do a comic about an NFL Superbowl-winning team couldn't use a term like "champions"? ----------------------------------------- No. You can't trademark a term in isolation or in a generic sense (as I understand it). Sounds kind of stupid to say it, but you trademark a trademark.
The mark represents your business and is associated with it.
Whether you infringe or not depends on whether a consumer is considered likely to be confused between your product and the person who holds the trademark.
I think the superbowl comic would be unlikely to confuse unless the logo looked similar or, say, the cover led you to believe you were buying a superhero comic.
So DC could not stop me bringing out a biography of Hank Aaron called 'Bat Man' unless they could go some way to proving I had infringed their mark (demonstrating that consumers thought they were buying a DC Batman book, would be one way, or showing how I had used a similar font to a Batman logo, or if I had dressed Hank Aaron in a superhero costume on the cover, etc).
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As a youngster team comics were a favorite (the more heros the better) so the Champs were an easy choice for me.
I agree with a couple of posts up thread that the stories were mediocre (I did like the Swarm story at the time, heck killer bee's were all the rage) and that Ghost Rider just didn't fit in.
JB's art was not forgettable ,after not seeing those comics in almost 40 years and re-acquiring them some panels popped out like I had just seem them the day before!
I think the teams calling card was that it was out of L.A. and could get to west coast trouble before other teams.
Question for JB, did you design the "new" powder blue suit for Iceman?
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