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Robbie Parry
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Thanks for the explanation, Peter.
Am I on the right path to assume that Marvel Comics could not stop the professional wrestler Sandman from using the name he does? ;)
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Matt Hawes
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Robbie wrote:
| ...Am I on the right path to assume that Marvel Comics could not stop the professional wrestler Sandman from using the name he does? ;) ... |
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Well, Marvel would have to deal with DC first, as DC owns that trademark for comics. -- See how complicated this can get?
The wrestler can use the name "Sandman" in wrestling venues (though, "Hulk" Hogan actually did have to get Marvel's permission), but there couldn't be a comic published under that name about the wrestler (unless it's licensed by DC).
You can't copyright a name, but you can trademark a name: "...Any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name."(United States Patents and Trademarks Office)
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Robbie Parry
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Thanks for that, Matt. All making sense now.
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Shane Matlock
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The only Champions issues I own are the ones with JB artwork and I enjoyed those well enough. I thought it was an interesting if odd mix of characters. But it did seem kind of like what JB said the creators referred to it as, the leftovers that weren't already on a team. Most of the team ended up on the Defenders or Avengers.
What I find odd about Marvel's new Champions series is that they are willing to get the approval of another company to share their trademark to publish a Champions book, but they aren't willing to publish Fantastic Four because they don't have the movie rights to those characters? Seems like an odd choice, as no one is really chomping at the bit for a new Champions comic (without the original members even).
Edited by Shane Matlock on 15 July 2016 at 6:02pm
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David Miller
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The first, and to this day only, comic I've read with The Champions was Godzilla #3. They were somewhat humorous obstacles for Godzilla and SHIELD, I suppose; Hercules ended up wrecking a Helicarrier, if I remember right. I'd only been reading comics for a few years, but I recognized Iceman and Angel as my least favorite X-men. Black Widow was hot on toast, but I don't recall what she did against Godzilla. And I don't remember Ghost Rider in the issue at all.
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I was a team junkie back in the day. So I gave every team book a try. I bought a few issues but bailed, never got to JB's issues. I could never understand why they dumped the Adams Angel costume. One of the best costume designs in comics!!
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Robbie Parry
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I am wondering, and a survey of every THE CHAMPIONS reader would be fun, if the main attraction was individual characters rather than the team.
For me, the appeal of, say, THE DEFENDERS was the team (or non-team, rather). I wanted to see them as a unit battling threats. However, it may well have been Ghost Rider or Hercules, rather than the team itself, which hooked me with THE CHAMPIONS.
I think also that their location was a novelty. As a kid, I was a little interested in the geography. I got bored with just the east coast (fictional and real cities) being used in comics. I used to wonder what it'd be like to have San Diego or Anchorage or whatever used in a story. So when a team operated on the West Coast, I found that fun.
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John Byrne
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Altho I was happy to be drawing Angel and Iceman -- well, Angel anyway -- I wonder if their presence in the book might have counted against its success. X-MEN was nothing even remotely close to the dominant force it became, and for many fans/readers the All New, All Different X-Men were still not the "real" team. Angel and Iceman being in the Champions was effectively saying to those readers "Get over it. The original team is gone."Not what a lot of people wanted to hear!
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I think also that their location was a novelty. As a kid, I was a little interested in the geography. I got bored with just the east coast (fictional and real cities) being used in comics. I used to wonder what it'd be like to have San Diego or Anchorage or whatever used in a story. So when a team operated on the West Coast, I found that fun.•• By the time I was assigned to THE CHAMPIONS I had been in the business long enough to have developed a generic "New York" that I could use for my backgrounds without having to seek out photo reference every time. But developing that version of New York had taken several years of studying photos. I knew from movies and TV shows that Los Angeles did not look like New York. Not only were basic architectural styles different, but the city as a whole had an entirely different profile. While Manhattan's buildings were spread along the lenth of the island, LA's city center sprang up suddenly in the middle of a surrounding plane of low-rise structures. In those pre-internet days, I went first to the Public Library to see what I could find, and that was little. So I had what seemed a bright idea. I wrote to the Los Angels Chamber of Commerce, told them who I was and what I was doing, and asked if they had any brochures they could send me. Sure enough, a couple of week later a manilla envelope arrived containing half a dozen Come to LA pamphlets. The pictures were not perfect for my needs -- nothing of the seedier side of town, of course! -- but they gave me enough that I could create a "generic" LA. And then the book was cancelled.
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While looking up some John Byrne Champions stuff via Google images, it's weird how many badly colored commissions come up. Who keeps coloring the commissions and why are they so prevalent in Google images?
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And then the book was cancelled.
*****
But then you got to draw West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast!
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John Byrne
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And then the book was cancelled.***** But then you got to draw West Coast Avengers/Avengers West Coast! •• Yeah, but that took a while!
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