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John Byrne
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 102266
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:46am | IP Logged | 1
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Metamorpho has been drawn many different ways by many different artists. Since his appearance in DOOM PATROL is happened while he is not appearing anywhere else (which is the reason Dan DiDio asked me to have him guest star), I decided to make my usage of the character a tribute to the original artist, Ramona Fradon, and drew him, to the best of my abilities, as she did. If his appearance had been more in the manner of a crossover, with him still appearing elsewhere on a regular basis, I would have drawn him as much like he appeared in his "home" title as I could manage.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:48am | IP Logged | 2
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Captain Marvel was based on a real person, Fred McMurray. That should be the mandatory model for the character.**** 'Cept that even CC Beck didn't keep that model for long. Cap very quickly developed his own face, more rounded and "baby faced" than the earlier McMurray version.
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Jeff Fettes Byrne Robotics R&D
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:52am | IP Logged | 3
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Being "On Model" is especially important if certain features are an important part of the character. Wolverine's height, Starfire's hair and even She-Hulk's bosom* come to mind. I remember a Sabertooth/Wolverine fight where Sabertooth is calling Logan "Runt" but Logan appears to be at least 6 feet tall!
*I reference this one because I was in a comic store recently and a friend pointed out a She-Hulk pin-up where the artist had decided to draw her like a typical female bodybuilder with no hips and a flat chest. In the same comic, there was a joke referencing the large size of her boobs. The She-Hulk in the pin-up certainly couldn't have been the same She-Hulk from the story.
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Clint Adams Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 4
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This topic brings another question to my mind:
Are there character sheets that "the company" gives artist to work from or are the artists on their own? The writers explain to them what a character looks like etc?
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James C. Taylor Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4705
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 9:59am | IP Logged | 5
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John Byrne wrote:
'Cept that even CC Beck didn't
keep that model for long. Cap very quickly developed his own face, more
rounded and "baby faced" than the earlier McMurray version. |
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I remember reading that the Cap face that you're talking about that
Beck went to was said to look more like Jack Oakey (not based on him,
but just that it resembled). What I haven't been able to find is
a picture of Jack Oakey.
[Edit]
Helps if you know how to speak Oakie. *sigh* Found it.
Edited by James C. Taylor on 07 April 2005 at 10:03am
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 10:32am | IP Logged | 6
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Jeff Fettes wrote:
Being "On Model" is especially important if certain
features are an important part of the character. Wolverine's height,
Starfire's hair and even She-Hulk's bosom* come to mind. |
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I recently got into an argument over this very issue of Starfire's hair (in
that Michael Turner Titans poster/cover) with the cash register goblin of
my LCS. "Yeah, it's a nice Michael Turner woman drawing," says I to the
goblin, "but it's not Starfire."
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 30906
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cash register goblin of my LCS.
*************
My old LCS had a troll. Wonder if they are related?
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Bill Dowling Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2176
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 10:50am | IP Logged | 8
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Joe Hollon wrote:
Another good modern example is the advertisement I saw for an upcoming (or recent?) issue of Superman where the artist has Superman and Captain Marvel side by side and they look EXACTLY THE SAME!!! Same person wearing two different costumes! Inexcuseable!!! I'm sure some of you reading this know the ad I'm referring to....maybe someone can post it here. |
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I remember reading this story as a kid. It was the second par tof a two-parter and I had never read the first part. Superman and Captain Marvel had apparently been switched in the previous issue, so Superman was wearing Captain Marvel's costume and Captain Marvel was wearing Superman's costume. It was easy to tell that that's what had happened just by looking at their faces.
(They each had the other's powers, too)
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John Mietus Byrne Robotics Member
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Well, sure -- not only do they have distinctly different faces, they have
different body shapes as well.
Well, they should, anyway.
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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 11:18am | IP Logged | 10
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While I liked Mark Texeira's rendition of Wolverine overall 10 years ago,
he made him as tall as Nick Fury, which is a blatant mistake. As noted
above, his height defines him. You should be able to take one look at him
and think "This guy did not have it easy growing up, and those
experiences toughened him up to the limit, so don't mess with him".
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Ed Deans. Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 November 2004 Location: United States Posts: 857
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 11
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John Byrne wrote:
'Preciate the thought, but until such time as DC editorial hands down such an edict, I feel my job is to go with the flow. |
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Aren't you in effect feeding into this mess by not rising above it
and instead allowing your experience to fall by the wayside. If even
someone of the stature of John Byrne compromises and accomidates the
chaos he criticizes is it any wonder there are critics saying, "His old
stuff was better."
Well, of course! "Man of Steel" was Byrne's Superman in most
people's minds and the new "Action" Superman will be a muddled mess of
all the current Superman faces. It isn't as if you're taking up a
current costume different from the '86 version or being *asked* to do
this by the DC powers-that-be. It seems you're resisting the evolution
of the industry. Were you brought onto "Action" to be
mister-monthly-art-bot or to be JOHN BYRNE, arist extraordinaire,
drawing Superman?
This is all very odd since you're among those generally seen as
ushering in the "superstar" artist era and are one of the finest
artists of the medium.
I've been hoping to see Byrne doing Byrne, again drawing the fantastic Superman of his "Man of Steel" reboot.
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Ed Deans. Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 07 April 2005 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | 12
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Clint Adams wrote:
This topic brings another question to my mind:
Are there character sheets that "the company" gives artist to work
from or are the artists on their own? The writers explain to them
what a character looks like etc? |
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I don't know about "the company" but Byrne did a Sersi model sheet for Paul Ryan on Avengers. Maybe others as well.
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