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Andrew Bitner
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Chabon's a Pulitzer-winning writer. He ought to know a little better than to slight an industry's worth of creators while praising Eisner.
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John Mietus
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John Byrne wrote:
We must pile high the superlatives, it seems, and
the fact that these same people spent a couple of years saying Jack Kirby
was the greatest thing ever in no way dilutes their attempts to say Will
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Well, take small comfort in the fact that the exact same eulogies will be
trotted out sometime in the distant future, dusted off, and used for your
memorial.
I guess that's no comfort at all, is it?
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Robert White
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Eisner might have created comics that Chabon considered "real art", but
then again, Chabon might have limited tastes and might not be a very
good judge of the artform as a whole. I suspect this is the case. It's
possible to have "good" but limited and or close-minded tastes. The
comment was just as stupid as something saying that Orsen Wells was the
only filmmaker that considered film to be an "artform." I love how art
is subjective/objective for some people...as long as the subject/object
is something they like.
That being said, I really want to start reading Eisner. I've always
known about him, but as a reader, he's always been just out of my
sphere. I just never saw any of his stuff in the comic shops I would
occasionally shop at. Now, thankfully, the wonders of Amazon will allow
me to pick up some of those old Spirit trades I've always wanted to
read.
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Brett C. Flechaus
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Not to let the Image boys off the hook ( cuz I'm not ), but the
original unproffessional creator, to me was Neal Adams. The
guy constantly overbooked himself. No knock on John Buscema,
but I sure would've liked to see Neal conclude the Kree-skrull War.
Oh yeah , I'm still waiting for my next issue of Ms. Mystic! On
second thought, maybe I don't need to see it after all. As mentioned
above, fan favorite ( mine too ), George Perez missed many, deadlines
too.
As to the thread topic, cheers to JB on his challenge. Professionalism
would be nice among creators, but I also concur that it's up to the
company to start to enforce deadline issues.
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Brian Miller
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I think you got the wrong thread, Brett.
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Chris Workman
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John Byrne wrote:
| ...dedicated his book "the deep debt I owe in this and everything else I've ever written" to Jack Kirby's work.
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And yesterday he said it was all about Eisner. |
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Well, having read the book, I can say that some of the stuff that happens in the book seemed to be based on what little I do know of Eisner, with a little of Siegel and Schuster thrown into the mix.
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John Byrne
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We must pile high the superlatives, it seems, and the fact that these same people spent a couple of years saying Jack Kirby was the greatest thing ever in no way dilutes their attempts to say Will Eisner was, too.++++ Well, take small comfort in the fact that the exact same eulogies will be trotted out sometime in the distant future, dusted off, and used for your memorial. **** After Archie Goodwin's memorial, as a group of us gathered in front of the church, I commented that people would undoubtedly say the same nice things about me when I shuffled off this mortal coil. "I'm free next Tuesday," said Danny Fingeroth.
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John Mietus
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Man. The loss of Archie Goodwin (and, for that matter, Mark Gruenwald)
is still felt.
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Fernando Carvalho
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I am and always be fan of Jack Kirby´s works and he have an huge influence on my apreciation of comics to this day. So saying that Eisner was "the one" doesn´t say anything to me. Will Eisner developed his particular way of storytelling and was fenomenal in it as an artist and as an seller of it.
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Steve Lyons
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John Mietus wrote:
| Man. The loss of Archie Goodwin (and, for that matter, Mark Gruenwald) is still felt. |
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Absolutely. Those guys were a part of my "golden age" of comics.
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John Mietus
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Oh, no doubt. And I never met Mark Gruenwald, so I don't know what
kind of person he was, but Archie Goodwin I met and even cornered for a
half hour talking about the Joe Kubert School, my experiences in it, what
my dreams in the comic industry when I got out were, the comics I
wanted to write and draw -- and he listened to every single bit of my
youthful, naive babblings and dreams with genuine interest, enthusiasm
and encouragement, even though clearly what I was talking about would
never have worked in the industry as it was shaping up. He was so nice,
such a genuinely sweet guy, and I will carry that memory with me always.
And I'm sure he was thinking, "God, let me get away from this kid and
back to the real professionals," but I wasn't aware of it because he was so
nice to me.
Plus he was a hell of a writer and editor.
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Richard Siegel
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I just wish I had had the balls to get up and just simply say this:
"Just a fan here - Loved the man! Loved his work! Wish he was here!" cause that pretty much says it all.
I loved his biographer who read from his text - trying to probe the mystery of the great man's personal life?
What mystery? good husband, good father and his work WAS his life - no separation of professional and presonal. His art was his life...and beyond. Period.
Edited by Richard Siegel on 10 April 2005 at 8:31am
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