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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 3:48pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

What more is there left to say?

I'm angry so I would say to US lawmakers, FUCK your prayers and do something practical.

Ted Cruz, Paul Ryan, Lindsey Graham and so many others offered the usual platitudes about prayers being with the victims. What good are fucking prayers? I'm sorry for the anger - it's not a trait I enjoy - but I would be so tempted to scream in their faces in protest at the victims.

In fact, and maybe this will sound absurd, I find their platitudes insulting. And if I do, then I'm certain the victims' families find them even more insulting. Very insulting. What can be more insulting than men in suits, with power, offering you prayers and platitudes. And talking about 'god' being with them.

Those lawmakers should stay silent. Or simply tweet, "Thoughts with the victims." But thoughts and prayers? No. Because prayers and 'god' are NOT working, nor are they the solution.

I am fed up of seeing this on the news on a regular basis. When the UK had a mass shooting (Scotland, 1996), it hit a lot of people hard. I did not know the victims or their families, but it was a time when I could not help but cry. And we toughened gun laws up. There has been gun crime since, but no mass shootings to my knowledge. I wish the US could act. NRA and GOA be damned!

But I fear the worst: people like Alex Jones will talk about baseball bats and iron rods being used to kill people, there'll be the usual false equivalency with automobile accidents, talk about people rather than guns being the killers - and other crap. I am sick of it. I'm sure many of you are.

Take care, Americans. I know that may be a platitude, too, but it's meant with utmost respect and sincerity.

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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 4:59pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

What a piece of shit this kid is.
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 5:43pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Our lawmakers have so much faith and prayers, but absolutely no guts at all.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Very true. It hits people hard each time. And whilst I would NEVER speak for the victims' families, I wonder if they too are fed up with tweets about prayers. I would find it insulting.

Has a US politician ever tried to put the ball back in the court of the NRA, GOA, etc? Perhaps saying something like, "I want you to take equal responsibility and I want you to work with us to provide solutions to this." Because I haven't noticed if they have. 
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 5:48pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

This is the new normal. Thank the gun manufacturers and their lobby, the NRA.

Nationalize the bastards so they can stop profiting off of human misery. Immediately. 
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

What a hell of a way for people to find out that a god doesn't exist.  'Cause if he did, no way this happens.
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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 9:58pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

This tragedy brought to you by chicken shit politcians bought and paid for by the NRA. Acceptable losses to them in order to remain "free" in America. (Hey Trump, how about "EXTREME VETTING" on those who buy guns??) Texas and Nevada are open carry states with high percentages of gun ownership... and are now home to American's most recent double-digit mass killings, each time by a lone gunman.

This hasn't been a good year for the "good guy with a gun" theory.

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Posted: 05 November 2017 at 10:01pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Remember, it’s still too soon to talk about gun control. 
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 12:27am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I find the difference in reaction to each of these events when compared to the reaction to one terrorist event to be depressing. One terrorist event and ‘Whoa, we must increase extreme vetting. See, I was right’

These? ‘Our Thoughts and prayers for this tragic incident’

Idiots. The whole flaming lot of them.

Get off your backsides and LEAD
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 1:12am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Trump has also said he believes the shooting was the product of a mental health problem and not gun control.

Isn’t radical terrorism the product of a mental health problem under that definition?
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Just saw a photo of the automatic weapon he used,NO
civilian should be allowed to own such a weapon,then i
see he was shot and killed by a civilian who`d been told
what he`d done.What if the civilian had shot some
innocent motorist? Mental health as an excuse from
Trump? We all have bad days,some of us who lose it,might
berate or punch someone who annoys/offends us,but having
automatic weapons,or any gun at our disposal is a recipe
for disaster.
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Robbie Parry
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 3:07am | IP Logged | 13 post reply

They make me sick.

A failed shoe bomb attempt and we're all removing shoes at airports. But numerous mass shooting and nothing done about gun ownership/use. That's sickening and distasteful.
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James Woodcock
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 3:48am | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Things more regulated than guns:
Hair products
Soft drinks
Laptops
Nail varnish
Any other liquid you care to mention
Kinder eggs

Granted this is mostly to do with flying but hopefully the point stands.

Just how disrespectful is it to think 'One day, we will have to start a revolution against our government'?

But hey, I thought you already had an armed militia so surly the 2nd amendment does not count anyway for Joe Public.
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Bill Collins
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 5:30am | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Apparently his Facebook profile picture was a picture of
that automatic weapon,that says a lot about him.As
usual,big business and a misguided idea of human rights
will stand in the way of common sense and the human
rights of the majority to live in relative safety.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 6:56am | IP Logged | 16 post reply

Just how disrespectful is it to think 'One day, we will have to start a revolution against our government'?

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As I have noted many times before, what the idiots who think this seem to completely fail to understand, is that the moment they take arms against the government, they lose the protection of the Second Amendment.

The wording is quite clear. The Amendment allows possession of firearms in support of a well regulated militia, and only the government can regulate.

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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 7:44am | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Will Wheaton had a great tweet for Paul Ryan. Too bad he felt the need to apologize to the delicate snowflakes among the faithful later. 
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 8:02am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I'm out of sympathy. Yeah, it's a shame people were killed. Our politicians allow it, because they're afraid of the NRA and like gun lobby money.

But even if the majority of people are in favor of stronger gun laws, they aren't acting on this inclination. Only a minority of voters are actively campaigning on reforming gun legislation, and the politicians have figured that not enough people care enough about the issue.

Until our society gets it together, this is going to continue. I have no more "thoughts and prayers" to give.
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 8:09am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

But even if the majority of people are in favor of stronger gun laws, they aren't acting on this inclination. Only a minority of voters are actively campaigning on reforming gun legislation, and the politicians have figured that not enough people care enough about the issue.

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And dead people can't vote -- at least, not outside Chicago.

Point is, tho, that We the People should not need to actively protest this. Did we have to band together to make murder illegal?

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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 8:47am | IP Logged | 20 post reply

And worst of all, IMO, is that this is now happening SO often that people are actually becoming inured to this. "Oh look, Mildred... another dozen people shot to death in Eugene, Oregon by an automatic weapon." "That's a shame, Hubert. More meat loaf?"

Obviously, this isn't the case for the families and friends of the victims, or those who live in the cities where these occur - but there are so many. It's become too commonplace, and I fear that we're getting shell shocked.

Solutions mean nothing. We're a fairly intelligent bunch on this board, and we could probably come up with a dozen workable processes to start shutting this down... but without those making the laws doing anything about it, we're helpless. 

Tomorrow is Election Day in the United States - but it's an off year, so there'll be a minimal turn out. It SHOULD be the start of a year long vetting process to get the right people in office who will START TALKING ABOUT GUN CONTROL But no viable candidate will take that stand, and the electorate won't, or can't, get behind this to force it through.

I would say, "Well just wait until it comes to someone in Congress getting shot" - but it happened! And they STILL don't do anything? What if someone in the NRA gets shot? They'll probably still rail that if the victim and eyewitnesses had been armed, it would never have occurred.

And I saw someone in the congregation of that church say, "And now those victims are with our lord, Jesus Christ." I cannot get my mind to understand this. How does this logic not lead to killing loved ones so that THEY are with Jesus? And how do they worship a deity who allows such things to happen so damned often? Just to twist this horrifically... didn't God promise no more floods after Noah? Tell that to people in Texas and Florida and Puerto Rico.

Thoughts and prayers. Yeah, right. Save your prayers for yourselves, because lead-jacketed destiny is coming to you sooner or later.
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 21 post reply

The massacre at The Sandy Hook Elementary School convinced me nothing will ever be done...  20 children between six and seven years old were killed and it wasn't enough to bring about stronger gun laws.

Voters need to take a strong stand against the NRA and politicians who support them over the people's will.. but that's not likely to happen, is it?

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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

JB: Point is, tho, that We the People should not need to actively protest this. Did we have to band together to make murder illegal?
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It's a good point. We should not have to.

That said, the only way to overcome an entrenched and powerful lobby is to have popular and very loud support to make change happen. The only thing politicians (a cowardly and superstitious lot) fear more than loss of campaign donors is angry voters during election season.

We should not have to lobby to prevent such frequent mass murders from happening; that it seems we have to do so is a serious black mark against our society.

We simply love our guns more than our right to not be shot.
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 11:07am | IP Logged | 23 post reply

I can only assume that since Trump believes this to be a mental health problem rather than a gun problem, he will soon be unveiling a comprehensive mental health care plan for our nation to help resolve it, right?
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 11:11am | IP Logged | 24 post reply

I wish I was more optimistic about our chances of enacting stronger gun laws, but as it stands, the frequency and horror of these crimes has not jolted the American conscience enough to get people off the couch and onto the streets in sufficient numbers.
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Posted: 06 November 2017 at 11:23am | IP Logged | 25 post reply

The people using the guns are just as much of a problem as the guns themselves. The obvious nutjobs like Devin Kelley might as well have been lobotomized.
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