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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11249
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 8:56am | IP Logged | 1
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We`ve had 3 rescue mongrels in our 28 year marriage,all were Border Collie crossed with god knows what,all were abused in some way,we nurtured and trained them to be brilliant companions with docile temperaments,but the fear never goes,the sight of an absent minded rolled up newspaper had them terrified.Our last two dogs which we had more or less concurrently lived to be at leasy 16 and 17(We had no idea of their actual age) our current dog Sam,we`ve had for nearly 9 years,he has had recurring bouts of Pancreatitis due to his poor start in life,which has made him Diabetic,he needs two injections of insulin a day and the Diabetes has made him blind,but he copes well and we love him.He still doesn`t like the company of other dogs,but he gets on great with cats.So i do think a lot of it is to do with training,but some breeds were bred to be vicious,and that will always be hard to train out of them.
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 June 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 12186
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 9:16am | IP Logged | 2
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These are the dogs that are banned in the UK:
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 15801
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 9:31am | IP Logged | 3
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A dog will always have a tendency to lean toward its breed-specific traits. Terriers were bred to be fearless fighters. Pitbulls on top of this have extremely powerful jaws. In my experience, pitbulls are generally very affable towards humans, but if you take in a rescue, there is an element of uncertainty, especially in the first days and weeks as the dog is still learning who its new family is.
Historically deaths by dog attacks correlate to the size and power of the animal, along with which large, powerful breed is currently in vogue with a certain type of owner, not necessarily the aggressiveness of the breed. A Yorkshire Terrier may be just as prone to bite as a Shepherd, Pitbull, Malamute, Rottweiler or Doberman, but the damage they can inflict is limited compared to these latter breeds. Any of these powerful breeds can be lovely dogs if raised the right way. The problem comes when either they are mistreated or intentionally raised to be aggressive.
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 March 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 15801
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 9:39am | IP Logged | 4
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The UK legislation uses quite nebulous wording.
Specifically, this wording is:
(a)any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier; (b)any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and (c)any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132297
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 10:40am | IP Logged | 5
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I've owned dogs all my life -- in my 53 years, I've never been without a canine companion -- but this is my first pitbull. And I'd have to say I'll get another. Mine came to me battered and scarred and abused and he's an amazing dog anyway. He's loving and connected and beautiful.•• I hope nothing happens to change your mind, Tom. But I also stand by my gun-in-the-house analogy.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | 6
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The most aggressive dog I've ever owned was a female beagle -- oh, what a bitch -- and the older she got, the meaner she got (just like me!). That dog would bite you just as soon as look at you, little nips, you know? All the time.
I think the stats bear me out that little dogs bite far more frequently than bigger dogs. Obviously, bigger dogs do more damage when they bite, but those bites occur far less frequently than chiuauas.
Now here's where I go out on a limb. Personally, I wouldn't leave a three year old alone with ANY dog, much less a pitbull. Dogs don't just "go crazy" and attack -- they're provoked. But a three year old can grab and poke and smack without realizing the effect that's having on a dog. I'm not saying that every dog attack is provoked. I'm saying there are warning signs a dog is going to attack. It comes back to supervision, which is an owner's responsibility.
Pits are strong dogs -- they're quick and they're tenacious. They can play rough. It's up to the owner to establish the boundaries of play and know his/her dog's temperament. I know my dog's triggers and I know my dog's moods. I am a responsible owner. But I'm not stupid, either. He's well trained and I don't put him in situations where he's out of my control.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | 7
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The issue, of course, isn't the stats on how often different breeds bite. They ALL bite. But I'd sooner take on an angry chihuahua than an angry pitbull!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7622
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 1:52pm | IP Logged | 8
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This may sound terrible, but my current thinking about a dog is 'Can I kick that hard enough to incapacitate it long enough for me and others to get to safety if needed'?
My wife once got out of our car and was attacked by a dog. I couldn't get out fast enough to do anything before the owner managed to pull it off her. I would have kicked that dog from pillar to post had I managed to be nearer. I know that sounds horrible, but my lasting memory is that I was not fast enough to get my wife to safety and from that moment on, the above has been my first thought with every dog that runs towards my family.
When I lived with my parents, we always had a dog (and cats), my parents still have dogs. As I have lived away from them, I am far more attracted to cats, but I still never left my son, when he was a baby, alone with our cats.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11249
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 9
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James i agree with you.I have kicked a dog in the ribs when it attacked one of my dogs,ours was on a lead,the attacker wasn`t,it charged at ours unprovoked,and clamped it`s jaws on her hind leg,my kick winded it and it let go,i gave the owner a bollocking,the dog was a Staffie,a dog popular with thugs over here.As for cats,haven`t they been known to smother sleeping babies by curling up on their heads?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 10
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Hey, Bill, is it the program you use, or in England do they no longer teach typists to include a space after commas? I'm afraid my tired old eyes find your posts often hard to read!
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2006 Location: United States Posts: 12441
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 11
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QUOTE:
Personally, I wouldn't leave a three year old alone with ANY dog, much less a pitbull. |
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I just returned from visiting family and they have two cats. I had cats growing up, but not my little kids. So they needed to be shown how to treat them. My 9 year old was fine. My 6 year old was... ok... but I had to watch her, carefully. Spook a cat, don't respect their personal space, rub them the wrong way, and...!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7622
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Posted: 23 January 2018 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | 12
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We leave spaces JB. Some people, who were taught on typewriters, leave two spaces, even now. Same after a period, two spaces. Which I find weird.
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