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John Byrne
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Posted: 12 May 2018 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 1
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Not sure if a new thread would be preferred but JB, do you have any thoughts or feelings about Hitchens? I've only recently discovered him on YouTube but with my bias, find him very compelling and entertaining.••• A good description. Unfortunately, also a pompous ass.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11249
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Posted: 12 May 2018 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 2
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`Would a copy of Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion" work on an atheist vampire?`
Maybe if you threw it with enough force!
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 12 May 2018 at 9:58am | IP Logged | 3
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In today's world, someone would surely get rich if they created an app that could send a vampire away, recoiling in horror...
Better hope the phone battery doesn't go flat, though!
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Steve De Young Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 12 May 2018 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 4
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I wish I had a kryptonite cross. Then I could keep Superman AND Dracula away.
- Jack Handy
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7622
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Posted: 12 May 2018 at 11:54pm | IP Logged | 5
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Re the posts on page one saying that in a world where vampires did exist people would have to re-evaluate what they believe.
There is a large proportion of society that does the exact opposite of this - they never think of the question - if I believe this, then does that mean this must also be true?’
For example people who believe in ghosts or visit mediums to try to talk to dead relatives. If either of those two things were true, what are the implications? I meet very few people that believe both those things that have gone any further than ‘I’m going to a medium to try to contact my dead reletive’
I wouldn’t see those people going any further if vampires exist either
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 12:31am | IP Logged | 6
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Regarding mediums, when they `contact` the dead, why are they always so vague? `I`m getting an old man who`s name has a vowel in it` etc ;-)
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 2:33am | IP Logged | 7
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Regarding such phenomena, Bill, I think anyone can be a "mind-reader" with a bit of clever thinking.
Example: I see a guy on the bus. He has four shopping bags with him, filled with a lot of stuff. I may be able to make an educated guess and presume that a quantity such as that means he has a family - or a wife at least.
Look at someone's hands. You can tell if they are a manual or clerical worker. I could set up a business - "Robbie The Mystic Mind Reader" - and say to someone, "You work indoors and don't do much lifting." It doesn't make me mystical, I'm just using facts and observation to come to conclusions.
I have never been to an event with a medium, but I know people who have. Those I do know have mocked it afterwards (I think some went specifically to mock such things). One person who attended an event told me that the 'medium' kept throwing things out there about dead relatives - don't we all have dead relatives? - and other vagueness. And for those who are gullible, they probably give something away - "Yes, my grandfather is dead, you are right!" - and then the 'medium' builds on that.
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Michael Penn Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 5:57am | IP Logged | 8
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QUOTE:
Classic vampire lore is, at least in Europe, so deeply rooted in Christian mythology... |
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Yes. Intimately connected with the Blood Libel against Jews.
And not only in times long ago. The tropes continue to this day.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 6:19am | IP Logged | 9
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I had a workmate who visited one and was amazed at what they knew about him, i said a quick internet search of electoral records would have given them a lot of tht same info! If the dead are in a better place and wish to contact us, why are they not telling us straight instead of playing charades?
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John Byrne
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 6:29am | IP Logged | 10
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Spiritualism began with two sisters clicking their toe joints under the table. It went thru a period of high theater, with manistations, levitation, voices and even floating musical instruments. As the modern world unfolded, and fraud became easier to detect, mediums grew more and more vague, depending on the gullibility of their prey rather than elaborate production numbers. The best defense against such nonsense, in all its forms, is simply to remember there is no such thing as the supernatural.
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Jason Scott Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 1:56pm | IP Logged | 11
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"In a world where vampires exist, I'd think people would start questioning what they do or do not believe in." ------------------------------------------------------------ -------
In a similar vein, Ever since I was a kid I've always been puzzled by the idea that we were supposed to be scared by ghosts. Seeing a ghost to me would be like the greatest thing ever. As in proof of after-life, the immortal soul. That people are never really gone. It would be a cause of celebration to me.
But of course the flip side of it is that the desperate hope for that, is exactly what mediums rely on. (And depending on your views, perhaps what organized religions exploit too.)
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John Byrne
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Posted: 13 May 2018 at 2:02pm | IP Logged | 12
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Fear of ghosts dates back to when the term was used not only for the spirits of dead people, but for any spirit, good or bad, that lacks a corporeal form. Recall when Horatio cautions Hamlet not to go with his father's ghost, as it may change to some terrible form.
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