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Mike Norris
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I still don't see why Norse Gods are racially interchangeable but fictional Africans from an isolated, futuristic, alien powered city need to stay "realistic\ ************************************************************ ********************8 Because you can find Africa on map and Africans next door
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John Byrne
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The Black Panther example I made show a character who should be black. It the character was called The White Wolf and was from a hidden society in Scandinavia white probably makes more sense.••• Racist thinking. The Black Panther is named for the animal, not because there's a Black guy in the suit.
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John Byrne
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I would, but Africa is a real place. The Nine Realms aren't. People have different expectations when dealing with some place real, even when the place within that place is fictional.••• Didn't stop race swapping in HAMILTON. But, again, those were White guys being swapped out.
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Mike Norris
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I know next to nothing about Hamilton or the reasoning behind it's casting. Broadway is an odd place.
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Mike Norris
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Racist thinking. The Black Panther is named for the animal, not because there's a Black guy in the suit. ************************************************************ ******************** It's a hereditary title of the King of Wakanda.
Edited by Mike Norris on 26 May 2018 at 8:30pm
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Christopher Frost
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It's a double standard. Cast a non-white actor in a white role then you are heralded as embracing diversity. Cast a white actor in a non-white role and you are accused of white-washing. If casting against type is embracing diversity, then it has to work both ways. If people want everyone to accept a black actor as James Bond, then they should also be willing to accept a white woman as The Ancient One otherwise they are hypocrites.
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Michael Roberts
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I know next to nothing about Hamilton or the reasoning behind it's casting. Broadway is an odd place.
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The point of the race swapping (and the use of rap) in HAMILTON is to engage young people, especially people of color, and get them to see that American history is something they can still identify and relate to, and not just the story of a bunch of old white slaveowners. No one is really expected to believe that the Founding Fathers were black, Hispanic, and Asian. And by all accounts, it's working, and more school groups are visiting places related to Alexander Hamilton. I think this is a good thing.
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Mike Norris
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It's a double standard. Cast a non-white actor in a white role then you are heralded as embracing diversity. Cast a white actor in a non-white role and you are accused of white-washing. If casting against type is embracing diversity, then it has to work both ways. If people want everyone to accept a black actor as James Bond, then they should also be willing to accept a white woman as The Ancient One otherwise they are hypocrites.. ************************************************************ ************** Again, it depends on the role. Real life person. Stick to that person's race when casting. Fictional person. Some leeway is allowed. depending on the characters. background. African King, black. For may American characters,open casting. Since America is a multi racial country.
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John Byrne
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Racist thinking. The Black Panther is named for the animal, not because there's a Black guy in the suit. ++++ It's a hereditary title of the King of Wakanda. ••• Derived from the jungle cat. Your deliberate obtuseness is growing tiresome.
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"Social justice" is not just about giving to those who have been disadvantaged in the past, it's also about taking from those who have been (or perceived to have been) advantaged. ("We've got to even things out!")
When the Falcon became a popular character in the CAPTAIN AMERICA movies, the smart thing for Marvel Comics to do would have been to start a comic called THE FALCON. But that is not "social justice." Social justice instead dictated that Sam Wilson abandon his Falcon persona and become Captain America instead, taking his name and shield (something very awkward to use with wings, but that's beside the point). At the same time, Steve Rogers was turned into an old, frail white guy. (Was that a commentary on the state of white Americans?) So, the Falcon (one of the last great Stan Lee co-creations who never got a real chance to go solo) finally had his chance to shine--but they felt they had to give him a white man's leftover suit and name instead.
I bet, somewhere out there, some black screenwriter has written a great story about a black secret agent, maybe an African-American with a back story influenced by growing up black and maybe confronting the difficulties of being a black spy in certain countries, etc. That could be an interesting movie--one that won't get made simply because of the rumors about Idris Elba possibly one day becoming Bond...and also because Will Smith played James West once and that was a miserable failure. Co-opting white characters probably prevents the creation (or promotion) of new black characters.
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"Social justice" is not just about giving to those who have been disadvantaged in the past, it's also about taking from those who have been (or perceived to have been) advantaged.
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Not really, but that's what the advantaged believe, which is why we have Trump.
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It's sort of proved by this very thread. Even the people you hate are sometimes right.
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