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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 10:11am | IP Logged | 1
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Rethinking things...
If we must hold on to that enchantment...
Thor Odin
If we absolutely insist on including others...
Black Panther Captain America Captain Marvel (Shazam!) Orion Superman Wonder Woman
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 2
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You STILL don’t include Bill! Dammit Wallace!
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Wallace Sellars Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 3
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QUOTE:
You STILL don’t include Bill! Dammit Wallace! |
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Okay, Brian. Okay. Geez.
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Rick Senger Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 12:14pm | IP Logged | 4
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The answer seems to depend on the writer and the circumstance. I'd probably buy into Cap, Superman, Beta Ray Bill (since it's fait accompli), and Odin. All I feel confident about is that it has little to do with physical strength so I'm glad nobody has suggested the Hulk despite his having lifted Mjolnir numerous times. Each time deserves an asterisk... sometimes the enchantment had been removed, sometimes it was a dream, sometimes he was really only holding Thor's arm / hand which was actually holding the hammer, sometimes he only thought he had picked it up but it was actually lifted because Thor had summoned it back to himself (something that also happened to Hercules).
Then there's that time Iron Man was carrying it in outer space
Vision lifted it all too easily (and with no explanation) in an Avengers movie.
Edited by Rick Senger on 18 March 2019 at 12:17pm
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John Cole Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 2:13pm | IP Logged | 5
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Steve Rogers was the Captain when he lifted the hammer not Captain America.
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 2:49pm | IP Logged | 6
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I hope that Vision lifting Thor's hammer scene in the Avengers movie is only because Vision is regarded as a non-human "machine".
Marc
Edited by Marc Baptiste on 18 March 2019 at 3:07pm
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Jeffrey Rice Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | 7
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Ignoring the movie, my list is short:
Odin Thor Beta Ray Bill Steve Rogers
I can buy Superman and even Wonder Woman. They have been established as up there as far as pretty good people.
I do like the idea that it really only works for moments of need per Busiek in the Avengers-JLA crossover. Steve Rogers is not going to be able to pick it up to hang a shelf.
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Mark Haslett Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 6:16pm | IP Logged | 8
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If it were up to me, I would make it just Thor, Odin and Beta Ray Bill-- then (because Odin shut down the charm) no more exceptions. None.
Let the world-movers and other big-brain types face that without breaking that rule. If Thor drops it on the moon, and you need it to be somewhere else-- maybe you can move the moon. But once Odinn removes the charm (after meeting Beta Ray Bill) no one can't never wield Thor's hammer, even if you be Steve Rogers, Balder, Superman, etc.
Rules like that are awesome if and when they actually stand in all cases.
I kind of like imagining moments such as Superman really needing to use Mjolnir and, through purity of heart or something, being able to wield it to save the universe. But I prefer that scene play by the rules such that, even with all that need, Superman must leave the hammer where it falls and move on to the next idea.
Edited by Mark Haslett on 18 March 2019 at 6:19pm
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Gary Asuncion Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 9
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If you guys have been keeping up with recent storylines: Hydra Cap ("Stevil") was permitted to lift the hammer in FCBD Secret Empire ...this is probably the most controversial lifting IMO.
Also Jason Aaron's Thor storyline suggests that there is a sentient intelligence that is also in the mix here.
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Matt Hawes Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 9:29pm | IP Logged | 10
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The panels Rick Senger posted above with the Hulk destroying Thor's hammer... If it was a dream sequence, does that really count as an example?
Edited by Matt Hawes on 18 March 2019 at 9:30pm
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Trevor Smith Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 5:11am | IP Logged | 11
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Matt - Rick was providing examples of the instances he mentioned in the post preceding the images:
"Each time deserves an asterisk... sometimes the enchantment had been removed, sometimes it was a dream, sometimes he was really only holding Thor's arm / hand which was actually holding the hammer, sometimes he only thought he had picked it up but it was actually lifted because Thor had summoned it back to himself..."
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Ronald Joseph Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 6:43am | IP Logged | 12
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Then there's that time Iron Man was carrying it in outer space
The Red Hulk (ugh) wielded Mjolnir against Thor in space, citing zero gravity as the reason he was able to. I find that absurd. If anything, Mjolnir should act like an anchor in zero gravity. You hang on to it, but you're going nowhere.
People sometimes cling to the word "lift" when referencing the hammer and think there's a loophole if it's floating in space. I think the opposite.
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