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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 8:45am | IP Logged | 1
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COROLLARY: Can Mjolnir not be lifted because of its incredible mass, or because of the will of Odin? I don't think of Steve Rogers or Beta Ray Bill having phenomenal strength, even if they are stronger than standard humans... and the Hulk and Hercules can't lift it, even for probably being in the top 10 in strength in the MU per most readers.
Also, to beat the topic to death, force equals mass times acceleration. If Mjolnir is so heavy, then the force required to make it fly/fling would likely have a slipstream that would be smashing cars, let alone its actual impact.
I found it far more interesting that Superman could only wield Mjolnir for a temporary span of time. Odin is a god; I can't believe he just comes and goes, and his edicts apply or don't apply merely because he's asleep or missing.
TANGENT: John Cole, I was going to say something about the clothes not making the man, and whether garbed as Captain America or the Captain, he should be able to handle it.
But I wonder upon further consideration... was there a change in Steve when he was a rebel? Maybe the Captain really shouldn't have been worthy to lift it.
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John Cole Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 11:26am | IP Logged | 2
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When The Captain lifted the hammer he also did not transform into a version of Thor.
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | 3
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When the Captain lifted Mjolnir, it was to throw it to Thor, which could be why he didn't transform.
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Andrew Hess Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 5:42pm | IP Logged | 4
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I have a friend who is a minister and also a comics fan. And when he goes to conventions he and his whole family dress up.
He went to Emerald City Comic Con this past weekend dressed as Jesus. In his words: "I was not dressing as Jesus to be “ironic” or “make fun” but instead, to be at play with the idea of Jesus attending ComiCon and posing for pictures with other guests dressed as super heroes."
He figured Jesus would probably be worthy...
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James Johnson Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 5
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Thor (of course)Odin (ditto) Balder (a strong possibility)
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 19 March 2019 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | 6
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Based on the original separate-person-to-Thor Don Blake, I'd say the worthiness has nothing to do with physical strength or having a war-like code. Put simply, it's all about heart.
I'd say King Arthur would be worthy, having shown a knack for similar challenges in the past.
Doctor Strange, perhaps?
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Joe S. Walker Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 March 2019 at 5:42am | IP Logged | 7
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Having someone else wield Thor's hammer is one of those ideas that should have been editorially squashed when it was first suggested. It's a big moment that everyone wants to use to show what a badass their character is.
By the way, why is the hammer drawn/shown these days as having a short handle and an oversized head? It should be more like a sledgehammer - in fact why doesn't Thor wield it with both hands?
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 March 2019 at 5:56am | IP Logged | 8
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Joe,
The short handle heralds back to Norse Mythology - if memory serves, it had something to do with Loki attempting to sabotage the creation of 3 great gifts of the Gods by the Dwarves of Svartalfheim. Loki transforms himself into a fly and attempts to bite at the Dwarves while they are forging three great gifts for the Norse Gods, the first two attempts fail; but the third, a bite on the eyelid, drawing blood, which pours into the eye of the dwarf as he is hard at work, succeeds. The dwarf pauses to wipe the blood from his eye and in that instant the furnace cools slightly and Mjolnir's handle is "ruined" - the handle of the hammer forged shorter than normal.
Marc
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 March 2019 at 8:39am | IP Logged | 9
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Peter M: "... it's all about heart"
To a possibly recognizable tune (with no insult intended...):
"Ya gotta have Thor, Miles and miles and miles of Thor! Oh, it's fine to be a god, but just look Keep Lee's comic book Before the lore First you've gotta have Thoooooor!"
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Scott Good Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 March 2019 at 11:03am | IP Logged | 10
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Worthy??? Probably the same person that wields Excalibur.
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Brian Floyd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 1:17am | IP Logged | 11
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That makes me wonder if Excalibur could damage Mjolnir....
And `AW HELL NAW!' to the idea of Marvel doing a story that answers that, because they'd probably have the hammer break the sword!
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 March 2019 at 4:58am | IP Logged | 12
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Or the Ebony Blade
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