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Darren Taylor
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Say it's true.
The fact makes it a noteworthy story, right?
But isn't there a bigger story going on here, behind the scenes. I'd like to know how DC can't keep information -like- the likely cancelation of books in house?
If information such as this is leaking, what else is potentially being leaked?
Leaking information is doing nothing for DC's credibilty as an employer, particularly when they appear to be doing nothing about it.
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Brian Miller
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And if it is true, and JB found out about it like this, then DC has slipped below any form of professionalism they may have had.
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Darren Taylor
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"And if it is true, and JB found out about it like this, then DC has slipped below any form of professionalism they may have had."-Brian
Hence the email I sent to them earlier asking them if they felt that they were a fair and professional employer? Well that "Ask the editor" button is sitting there all aloof and teasing me. Flouting its accessablity at me!
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Keith Elder
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This forum isn't a secret club. It's accessible to anybody in the
world. You can't post something on the web and get irritated that
somebody looks at it.
I could understand getting mad at Johnson if he says that he doesn't
read it, but then secretly does... but I don't know if that's the
case. I'm sure there's all sorts of perfectly valid reasons to be
mad at him, so we should probably focus on those.
And I seem to remember JB saying something about a 12 issue commitment
to BOTD... but I don't think that means anything, other than that it
wasn't going to be cancelled at issue seven. It's just a minimum
bound. DP began with a 12 issue commitment also, and it was later
extended to issue 18.
I'm skeptical about the rumor, because if the book is marginal, it is
in the company's best interest (perversely) to make that decision as
late in the game as possible. Also, BOTD feels to me like
something that would have more potential as a trade paperback than DP
did.
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Joe Zhang
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Johnston's self appointed job is to report lies. Yes he also reports
truths and half-truths, but he openly keeps his standards below that of
professional journalism so that he can sell the lies too.
Someone lied with the intent to destroy any chance of BOTD surviving.
This is the book I and many others felt confident it is firing on all
cylinders, and the stable sales reflect that. So somebody felt it had
to be sunk. And unless RJ has completely fabricated this story, "Mr. X"
works in the offices of DC. Who would gain from this? How? How many
more drones within DC are out to get him?
A little while ago Mike O'Brien expressed a great deal of frustration at DC. I'm starting to feel the same way too.
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Peter Hicks
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If DC is willing to say this rumour is untrue, and no decisions have been made about BOTD, then they can request LITG remove the story, and it will be done. Rich has done so before whenever asked.
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Joe Zhang wrote:
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....or someone told the truth with the blah blah blah.
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Mike Tishman
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Joe Zhang wrote:
| This will kill BotD sales. DC has to shut this gossip bitch down. |
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With all due respect:
1- I doubt they can. You can't stop people from talking and speculating and reporting rumors.
2- That would alienate more people than DC would lose through anything he reports.
You can't fight the internet. You have to roll with it. ANything else is PR/commercial suicide.
John Byrne wrote:
| Funny that no one from DC has bothered to mention this to me. |
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That sucks. You deserve better. First DP's cancellation gets leaked on
LITG before they tell you, now this. Plus the redrawn art in
Action...
I don't know how to spell DC with asteriskes in any way that would still be intelligible. D*, maybe?
Steve Horton wrote:
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With any organization the size of DC, you're going to have a sizeable
number of people who Just Don't Care. They're just working another
office drone job, so they don't really have any loyalty to or interest
in the comics.
Conversely, you probably also have a good number of people who are
there because they're big fans, and revel in their power to shape the
industry to their liking by leaking info.
They'll never get caught. There are just too many people in and out of
an office like that, and it's just too easy to drop someone like
Johnston an e-mail or an IM without anyone ever knowing.
The only way DC can deal with this is by making sure that they get to
the creators as soon as any decision is made, because the longer they
wait, the more likely it is that the creator is going to find out from
an online rumor column.
I think it's entirely likely that BOTD is already dead as far as DC is
concerned, and that the decision has already been made. Given that,
it's inexcusable that DiDio didn't call JB directly, but stalled until
some jerkwad intern leaked the info to Johnston. Totally unprofessional.
Brendan Howard wrote:
| Rich is a John Byrne fan. He's also a gossip-spreading blight on the whole comicbook industry. |
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I wouldn't say that. He writes an excellent column which is accurate
more often than it's not, which is precisely why it pisses people off
at the Big Two.
But that's like dinosaurs getting angry at mammals for being smaller,
faster, and more efficient. People in all aspects of the media industry
need to understand that you just can't keep secrets anymore, and you
can't win fighting against the self-appointed online punditocracy,
because they can literally make or break your relations with your
fanbase. If you make people choose sides between the DC or M*****
corporate offices and an online rumor columnist, they're going to pick
the rumor columnist every time, because he's one of them and DC
and M***** are Faceless Corporate Entities. Even artists and writers
who side with the publishers against the online fan community are
likely to alienate thir own fans.
It doesn't matter what we think of Johnston. We have to play nice, or we will lose. That's how the game works
now, for better or worse.
Joe Zhang wrote:
| He destroys that which he is obsessed with. Are you "cool" with that? |
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I don't think that's true. He does more good than harm.
Right now, I think it's more productive to get pissed at DC for most
likely jerking JB around than it is to get pissed at Johnston for
letting us know about it.
Brian Miller wrote:
| And if it is true, and JB found out about it like
this, then DC has slipped below any form of professionalism they may
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My point exactly! Lay off Johnston, and crucify DiDio!
Joe Zhang wrote:
| Someone lied with the intent to destroy any chance of BOTD surviving. |
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We don't know that. You're assuming he's lying, and, frankly, I
doubt he is. Given that his source for the DP cancellation was dead on,
and sales for BOTD are less than what we'd like to see, I think the
balance of evidence favors Johnston's story, whether we'd like to
accept that or not.
The issue is not Johnston lying to sabotage JB. The issue is DC leaking
like a rowboat made of Swiss cheese, and about JB not being the first
person on the phone when decisions are being made in th DC office about
his books.
Edited by Mike Tishman on 23 August 2005 at 7:45pm
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Jason Fulton
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The comic book industry must be filled with the most unprofessional people on the planet.
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John Byrne
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John Byrne: Funny that no one from DC has bothered to mention this to me.Mike Tishman: That sucks. You deserve better. First DP's cancellation gets leaked on LITG before they tell you, now this. ***** You miss my point. No one at DC has told me because it's not true. No decision has been made on the future of BLOOD.
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Trevor Giberson
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That's good news. I just got the first four issues in from eBay today, and I really dig 'em.
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Mike Tishman
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John Byrne wrote:
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DC has told me because it's not true. No decision has been made on the
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No disrespect intended, but are you sure? DC may not have called you, but have you called DC since this was printed?
This all just smells really fishy to me. It just seems like you're getting dicked around.
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