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…and it was pretty much everything I was afraid it would be. Some good characterizational moments, yes. Some fairly spectacular superheroics, to be sure. But an overall disdain for the genre that came thru in almost every scene. The impression was that there were two groups of people working on this movie -- one that liked superheroes (and had obviously read a lot of back issues of FANTASTIC FOUR*), and one that had no love for the concepts. The first group gave us Elasti-Girl shaping her body into a boat and Dash propelling it, or Mr. Incredible defeating the robot monster by turning its own strength against itself. The second gave us Elasti-Girl stuck between doors in a hallway when she is unable to stretch far enough to snag the electronic key from the belt of a guard (yet, moments later, is able to stretch further to beat up a couple of guards and snag that same key), or Dash getting bugs splattered all over his face the first time he uses his full speed (something which mysteriously does not happen thru-out the rest of the movie).

Good performances by the voice talent, and I enjoyed the riffs on James Bond style background music -- but if I had gone in looking for the "reverent" treatment of superheroes so many hereabouts swore the movie contained -- well, I would have had a very hard time finding it.



*And the next person who tells me this movie is not a blatant FF rip-off better duck! The %#$@ ing MOLE MAN even turns up at the end!!

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I think they had some fun with the concept without making fun of it.  9 out of 10 for me.
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JB are you giving the movie 0 rogies?
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Rog didn't like all the robots getting trashed, so he
disdains to comment.
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I thought the Mole Man turning up at the end was a great "tip-of-th-hat" to the FF, which the rest of the film had been so clearly "sampling" from.
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Rip off.. tribute to.. or parody of.. I think the last option applies best, only they forgot to tell the audience.
I'd prefer it if they had had the guts to actually do a straight forward parody instead, in a way that was clearly noticable.

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What would be the point of telling an audience that it's a parody that the largest majority of the audience had no chance in "getting"?
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well JB at least you finally did see it. too bad you weren't crazy about  it but take it for what it was 90 min or so of pure enjoyment.(i hope you at least enjoyed some of it?) the wheel wasn't reinvented with this film but for that little bit of time (at least to me)it was pure escapism.
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Gol dang it, guys. Will you quit trying to get him to like this? He isn't giving Hollywood a pass on this (and, frankly, I don't blame him). All the "take it for what it is" isn't going to change that.
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I really enjoyed the movie, and the twins watch it a couple times a week.  I agree with what JB says.  I also agree (with others) that it is a brilliant 'ripoff' which was clever, and very entertaining.
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I found the movie to be enjoyable and yeah blantantly FF .I loved the Mole Man at the end Too bad that film wasn't called Fantastic Four instead
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I thought this movie was average. It really didn't excite me at all.
Oh well at least it was better than Finding Nemo...
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I still don't knwo Marvel didn't sue over Violet.  Super-fast, super-strong, stretchy - these can be debated.  But "Invisible and makes Force Fields" was the sole bailiwick of Susan Storm (circa FF #20, of course) - until The Incredibles.

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Speaking of the Fantastic Four ... I saw this movie
over the weekend ... UGH.

I went into this movie under the best of conditions:

a) After months of either not wanting or not caring to
see it, something in me changed and I was finally
prepared to just have fun with it, take it for what it is
or what everyone had told me it is: Light, enjoyable
fluff.

b) My dad paid my way into the show.

c) The concession stand had a great pop and
popcorn deal. For a mere $3.75 I was snacking and
sipping throughout the entire movie.

Even under these ideal conditions, I could not enjoy
this movie.

First of all, it's just a BAD movie.

Second of all, it was HORRIBLE what they did to Dr.
Doom and Reed Richards. Wrong, wrong, wrong,
WRONG.

I cannot imagine liking this movie either as a movie
fan or an FF fan.

EDITED TO ADD: Sorry for getting off topic here ... but
I felt this might be an okay place to vent my similar
movie-going frustration and really didn't want to start
another thread. F4 truly isn't worth the time or space.



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Oh well at least it was better than Finding Nemo...

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Can't say I entirely agree with that. If I were to list the Pixar movies in descending order, I'd probably end up with a list something like this. . .

Toy Story 2
Toy Story
A Bug's Life
Monsters Inc.
Finding Nemo




The Incredibles.

At least I didn't get any sense that some of the people working on "Nemo" thought fish were silly.

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All the "take it for what it is" isn't going to change that.

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Frankly, I feel like I'm the one who should be telling people to "take it for what it is". After the praises sung of this movie hereabouts -- from some unexpected corners, in one or two instances -- I began to get the feeling that people were bringing into the theaters with them the kind of movie they wanted this to be, and were determinedly seeing that movie no matter what was on the screen.
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And the next person who tells me this movie is not a blatant FF rip-off better duck! The %#$@ ing MOLE MAN even turns up at the end!!

Exaaaactly.  The "differences" don't extend far beneath the surface.  I mean, Dash is a little kid with super speed powers, but for all intents and purposes, he's Johnny Storm, and the Torch's powers do show up in the film when Jack Jack flames on.  I enjoy the movie quite a bit more than you do, but in the end, it is a Fantastic Four pastiche.

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I loved the movie .... I thought they did a great job all around and was surprised I liked it as much as I did. Sure they pulled from the FF and other areas, but that didn't bother me at all, it made me like it even more. I loved the Mole Man at the end.

Edit: Now if this were a real FF movie and they did it like this, i would hate it. I would want it to be serious wilth very little comedy.

 



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I'm not sure, given your examples (Elasti-Girl stretching and
Dash's bug problem), why you saw disdain for superheroes in
the movie. I didn't see any disdain. I went in not expecting
anything, and didn't know much about the movie beforehand
(all I had seen was the trailer), and I got almost an opposite
view than your experience. I thought it was fun and expressed
a broad respect and knowledge of the superhero genre. I can't
rank the Pixar movies -- not one of them has disappointed me
in the least. Finding Nemo certainly became more meaningful
to me after the birth of my child, but I couldn't really place any
above the others.

I totally respect your opinion on it, JB, but I really just don't see
where you're coming from on this one. But that's cool.
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J.B I was wondering what you thought about the actual animation in The Incredibles?
While I thought some bits were great but for some reason I thought that quite a few scenes the character movments were rather...stiff?
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I respect the level of technological craft that went into making the movie, but it was a slap to anyone who takes superhero fiction seriously. And anyone with even a passing familiarity with the FF could recite a list of not-so-incidental similarities fifteen minutes into the movie.
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Well...it's better than this year's FF Movie....
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Well...it's better than this year's FF Movie....

Root canals are better than this year's FF movie.

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It was only a slap in the face in the same way that Buzz
Lightyear was a slap in the face to action figures and Woody
was a slap in the face to old talking dolls. Which is to say, I don't
think it was one. Seriously, what did they do in the Incredibles
that wasn't done in any of the other Pizar movies? Are Barbie
fans upset that Barbie was the butt of jokes in Toy Story 2? Are
Star Wars fans boycotting the same movie because of the
Blatant Darth Vader Ripoff Villain?
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I do have to say, seeing Dash whipping about I was totally seeing "Daniel" from JBNM.
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