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Roger A Ott II
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Rob Hewitt: I agree with Glenn about JMS and the marriage. I frankly think he writes it the best at least in a long time
Jason Fulton: I take my car to the World's Worst Engine Mechanic. He never fixes the actual problem, but since he does a great job cleaning the windshield, it's OK!
I'm fully with Jason on this one. So JMS writes a good married Peter Parker. Whoopty-freakin'-do! I buy my Spider-Man comics to see Spider-Man whipping some villain's ass, not playing kissy-face with his friggin' wife. Why not just change the name of the title to THE AMAZING MARRIED MAN? I'm sure it'll sell shitloads.
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Glenn Greenberg
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<<You also might be able to argue that the Daily Bugle folks were also
affected by the marriage because "freelance photographer always short of
money" seems like a perfectly fine job for an early 20-something guy. It
can seem a little immature and irresponsible for a pushing-30 married
guy. Immature if his wife makes a lot more money than him.
Irresponsible if she doesn't.>>
Well, here's the thing--Mary Jane should NEVER have been portrayed as a
"supermodel" or a successful TV actress. She should NEVER have gotten
past the ASPIRING model/actress phase. When you're aspiring to a career,
you're not exactly rolling in dough. Therefore, Pete and MJ COULD have
been portrayed as always being short on cash and struggling to make
ends meet. (And wouldn't it have added some dimension to their
relationship if MJ were to be portrayed as something of a shopaholic, or
needing to buy a lot of clothes and shoes to keep up with her competition
in the modeling world--thus depleting the Parker household funds even
further?)
And another thing--by the time I left Marvel, Peter was considered to be
no older than 23. We had put him back in grad school, which he'd never
finished, and Mary Jane decided to enroll as well, to get a degree in
psychology, in the wake of the Clone Saga and the loss of the baby and
the fact that her modeling days seemed to be behind her. Also, we
wanted Pete and MJ to be portrayed as young again and back in a school
setting.
How Peter accelerated to being a 30-year-old in such a relatively short
time is beyond me.
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Mike Bunge
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"JMS changes Spider-Man's whole backstory, and a cheer goes up."
We'll have to see about that. "The Other" seems to be boosting sales right now (like just about any crossover) and they've thrown an almost obscene amount of variant covers on this thing, but you can find an awful lot of harsh criticism of this crap all over the web.
Before "The Other", sales on AMAZING were dropping fast and MARVEL KNIGHT SPIDER-MAN were the lowest of any monthly Spider-title ever. I haven't heard about any creator changes on those books, so let's see where things stand a year from now.
Mike
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Jason Fulton
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Coming soon from dc and m***** - RAPE ANTHOLOGY COMICS! Not only are we going to metaphorically rape the characters, we're going to show actual rape as well! Buy ten copies!
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Roger A Ott II
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Rob Hewitt: Spider-man just needed some good and or fun stories told about him. When he has that, he is popular. Married or not.
Agreed. I think your statement could be applied to almost all comics. Consistently good, fun stories are the key to keeping people reading, not one over-hyped event after another or gross mischaracterizations used to garner interest.
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Victor Manuel Fernandez Patiño
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Why this hot new writers think that by raping a character are "helping" to
add some depth to that character??
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Glenn Greenberg
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Jason,
What's that panel from?
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Victor Rodgers
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QUOTE:
And another thing--by the time I left Marvel, Peter was considered to be
no older than 23. We had put him back in grad school, which he'd never
finished, and Mary Jane decided to enroll as well, to get a degree in
psychology, in the wake of the Clone Saga and the loss of the baby and
the fact that her modeling days seemed to be behind her. Also, we
wanted Pete and MJ to be portrayed as young again and back in a school
setting.
How Peter accelerated to being a 30-year-old in such a relatively short
time is beyond me.
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That was my guess. I remember Howard Mackie went to such great pains to make Peter young again. I think by the end of his run he succeded. The book actually felt like Spider-Man again. Then it was all dashed to hell in only a few issues.
I think its a sign of how bad of an idea the marriage was, that nobody who worked on the books at the trime supported it.
Edited by Victor .R. Rodgers on 06 January 2006 at 11:16am
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Roger A Ott II
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Jason Fulton: Coming soon from dc and m***** - RAPE ANTHOLOGY COMICS! Not only are we going to metaphorically rape the characters, we're going to show actual rape as well! Buy ten copies!
After that, it's the DC/Marvel CROSSOVER GANGBANG! See Superman and Spider-Man swap partners! Watch closely as your favorite characters Get It On!!!
Sorry. Jason, you've gotten me all riled up now...
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Jason Fulton
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That's the last panel of Spider-Man / Black Cat #5 - three years in the making! But I guess anyone that thinks injecting something as horrible as RAPE into an all-ages character would probably say that people who disagree with the story need to go out and get laid.
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Jason Fulton
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CROSSOVER GANGBANG has the sort of cross-gender appeal that screams 'three picture deal with option for a fourth'. It could be like Brokeback Mountain, but with superheroes, and really poor writing.
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Eric Lund
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"All-Rape Comics" is going to be Marvel and DC's new joint monthly title
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