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John Wickett
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 2:00am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I agree with your point, but I would never say the fault is with the guns. The fault belongs with the person who pulled the trigger, the flawed system that allowed him to have those guns to begin with, and policymakers who were either too shortsighted to foresee this, or who knowingly underprioritized the danger of this happening.  


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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 2:09am | IP Logged | 2 post reply


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the flawed system that allowed him to have those guns to begin with

When people are saying the fault is with guns, they are generally talking about this, having access to guns. No one is blaming an inanimate object for existing in a vacuum.


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I’m disappointed that the news media is putting so much emphasis on what is perceived as incompetent (in)action by the local police. This is just handing the NRA the excuse that the fault lay not with the guns but with those officers.

It serves as a counter narrative to a lot of gun supporters talking points: allowing more good guys to have guns will help stop bad guys with guns (it did not), having armed police or security at schools will stop bad guys with a gun (it did not), arming teachers will stop bad guys with a gun (if cops were useless, what would an untrained teacher do?).

It's interesting to see how quickly the "Blue Lives Matter/Thin Blue Line" folks will turn on police officers when they feel they aren't being protected.
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Posted: 28 May 2022 at 4:01am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Similarly, I've got 7 employees who are men between the ages of 22 and 26.  Three are gamers.  Two of the three have purchased AR-15s (one has several different assault rifles).  Of the four who are not gamers, none own guns.   

Wow.

On one side, I think saying a young man in 2022 is "a gamer" is comparable to saying someone in the 70's "watches TV". It's not a niche thing whatsoever, and gaming is a bigger industry than Hollywood these days, and again, it's worldwide but these kinds of stuff doesn't tend to happen elsewhere but in the US.

On another side, WOW again. Why on earth are those kids purchasing AR-15s? Did they ever tell you any possible reason? 

I just don't get it.


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"I think saying a young man in 2022 is "a gamer" is comparable to saying someone in the 70's "watches TV". 

True, so let me clarify.  All of these guys play video games, but the three I referred to as gamers spend virtually all of their free time playing, and are primarily focused on first person shooter games.

One of them comes from a family that owns many firearms, and grew up hunting and shooting recreationally.  The other two have little background with guns.

To answer your question, after playing games where their characters used assault rifles, they wanted to try shooting them in real life.  So they went to a range where they could shoot a variety of guns, including AR-15s.  They all enjoyed handling the guns, so two purchased their own.

No sinister intent involved. These guys only use their rifles at gun ranges, to shoot at targets.  But here is the thing.  It was very easy for them to pass the background check and qualify to buy the guns.

The one from the "gun family" keeps his rifle unloaded and locked in a gun safe.  Ammo is kept in a separate, locked safe.  But the other one doesn't own a gun safe.  I'm not sure where or how he stores his rifle, but anyone who as access to the area where he keeps it conceivably has access to the gun.  That is how Adam Lanza got an AR-15.  The gun belonged to his mother, and she failed to properly secure it.


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Posted: 29 May 2022 at 2:46am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Thanks for the insights, John.

As I said before, most of the people in the 20-40 age gap I know are gamers and some of them are FPS fanatics but not a single one of them has purchased an AR-15 or been to go a gun range.

Not that they could in most countries, but apart from that there's definitely something going on culturally in the US that just doesn't happen elsewhere.


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Posted: 29 May 2022 at 4:20am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I don't know how it is in other cities, but a quick Google searched turned up 12 indoor gun ranges in the Las Vegas metro area.  There are several places on the outskirts of town where people can go to legally shoot at targets outdoors.  I suspect we have more than a lot of other cities because many of them cater to tourists; especially the ones that feature AR-15s, machine guns, etc.

There are probably 100+ places in town to legally buy a gun. 
  
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They really are going on and on about the police not acting as they were 'supposed to', as if that were all that was really unusual in this? So what, 'next time' it'll 'only' be five or six kiddies? And if they are so sure of mental health help being needed and made more widely available, why have so many Republicans been so obsessed with getting rid of the Affordable Care Act? They always want to have it both ways, like kids always wanting to make a deal when they've been caught having done something wrong, perhaps that's why the 'great deal maker' is their guy still? People just need to pay more attention if they are going to vote and stop rewarding people like Abbot and McConnell who are acting in bad faith all the time. The thing of the person... the powerful gun or the little child... the minority in a state or an old flag or statue of a rebellious heritage?

So, don't regulate much at all like the 2nd amendment requires... because it'll be so much better the next time some nut gets their hands on the power to end multiple lives randomly. They'll be readier, there'll be armed teachers and heavier security? Because that's the price of freedom? Bizarre! Want to know how well a society is doing; minorities are the canary in the coalmine, but also the quality of lives for children.

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Since they are most likely never going to ban most guns, I think a possible middle ground solution might be to ban the sell of lethal ammo to civilian gun owners (with the exception of license hunters). Civilian gun owner would only be able to purchase non/less lethal ammo.
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Posted: 29 May 2022 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

As long as Republicans think votes count more than the lives of citizens—including children, who can’t vote anyway—nothing will ever be done about this uniquely American problem. I live “just down the road” from Sandy Hook, and I’ve watched this slow-motion disaster play out at close range.

Children only matter before they’re born.

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JB is exactly right.
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Put politicians' kids in public schools. Then they might actually start caring. 
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