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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 23 July 2026 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | 1
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Ok I’m out. I can’t go past “Jim Shooter famously gave the mandate JEAN
GREY MUST DIE.” Do some fucking research.
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Michael Hogan
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| Posted: 23 July 2026 at 5:37pm | IP Logged | 2
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JB, I couldn't make it 70 seconds on that Youtube link.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 24 July 2026 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | 3
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As most of you know, Shooter called for Jean to be “taken to a prison asteroid to be horribly tortured for all eternity.” Which sounded to me like a particularly misogynistic Legion of Superheroes story. And when CC told me this, I said “F*** that, I’d rather kill her!”
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 24 July 2026 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | 4
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@JB: depending on your cardiac health, I'd STRONGLY recommend you avoid the Strange Brain Parts YT review that went up yesterday. It's equal parts missing the point, revisionist history, and character assassination.
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Dean Munday
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| Posted: 24 July 2026 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | 5
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In other news, the fate of a certain member of the Hellfire Club is infinitely more satisfying in Elsewhen, than in the latest X-Men one-shot.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 24 July 2026 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | 6
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Foolish to admit this—just arming the trolls—but something that is really getting up my nose is the comments from uninformed people who reject my statement that ELSEWHEN happened just for fun, and insist on burrowing into the work to find bitterness and “revenge”.Much of this seems to emerge from the dummies—yes I said it—who can’t grasp the simple idea that ELSEWHEN is in no sense meant as commentary on what was going on in the X-Men after I left. It simply is what it is—something I did for my own amusement. Fun! I am seeing comments too from people who seem to have learned a few phrases without actually understanding them. “No character development” is a repeated complaint. This obviously comes from those who are again seeking parallels. They know what happened in the real books, and they expect to see it reflected in ELSEWHEN. If what’s been happening—and continues to happen—with Jean (and Scott) doesn’t qualify as “character development” I don’t know what does. It’s just not following the arc(s) they already know. Humph!!
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Eric Fether
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| Posted: 25 July 2026 at 2:50am | IP Logged | 7
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Humph!!
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Don't let it get to you, John. You have fans that will love ya forever!
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 25 July 2026 at 3:53am | IP Logged | 8
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@Dave:
Even I had to comment on the false premises of that review. One thing I enjoyed about the inital reviews was that people seemed to "get it" that this was initially done just for fun and was not intended to be published - and that's how it should be evaluated.
But I guess when wading in the YouTube pool for too long, you're bound to encounter some floaters eventually. The "spite" comment really irked me - he was really looking for something that wasn't there.
Edited by Vinny Valenti on 25 July 2026 at 3:55am
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 25 July 2026 at 10:49am | IP Logged | 9
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The whole history of this project is laid out here for anyone who cares to look. Nevertheless there are some who insist on describing ELSEWHEN as having begun as being rejected by Marvel, and starting from that false premise, they infuse it with all kinds of “negative vibes”.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 28 July 2026 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 10
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Of course this was fun!
And free!
And in many ways, on the fly - Colossus leg anyone?
Why can't people understand this?
Which is why we all went 'Thank you good sir for what we
have been given' when you said that you were stopping.
I wonder how many of them were actually on this forum
during those years?
And I really fear the onslaught that is coming when Vol 3
just ends mid story.
That is going to feed so much BS right at the end of this
whole event.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 July 2026 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 11
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Read a “review” that questions how the Master Mold could crush Sebastian Shaw, given his powers. I can only ask, what in Shaw’s assortment of abilities would protect him from such an attack? Certainly nothing of which I am aware. Was something added since my day?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 July 2026 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | 12
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Looking back, I find myself wondering what we could actually have done with Shooter’s “prison asteroid” scenario. No way, it seems to me, the team would have just stood back and let it happen. This was still Jean, after all. The duplication retcon was years in the future. At the very least, Scott would have launched himself on a rescue mission, and the rest of the X-Men would have gone with him. Did Shooter not envision this? Or did he imagine his Whim of Iron would force CC and me to continue with business as usual, with only rare references to Jean’s fate? Can’t imagine the fans tolerating that!
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