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Steve Gumm
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

OH MY!! JB, you mentioned you and Terry Austin was discussing the possibility of doing some commissions together... How 'bout auctioning off some covers from the issues you'd planned in the outline.

Talk about a money making machine for you two. It would really stir up the nostalgic feelings we all feel toward your run, plus the winner would feel as he owns a part of history, which would add a great deal of fuel to the bidding war. On the ebay listing you could post a scan of Cory's outline with a brief sentence or two explaining the cover's intended storyline. Man seeing these covers would be incredible! If you two teamed up, it would really drive home the nostalgia of that great era. It'd be like the Beatles getting back together to cut a few new singles!

I know it's probably too far fetched, but a man has got to dream!

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Just because something is controversial now does not mean it would be controversial then.  Not only was the political climate different so is the culture.  1981 or so was a long time off from the current "culture wars."  I bet nothing would have come of it except for a debate in the letters columns.

"Lost stories" such as this break my heart.  Just looking at that page of basic plots and JB's explanation creates that heart rending feeling of "This is cool" I used to get all the time from comics, but rarely get now.

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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 8:37pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Steve, that is a great idea! 

  
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Wayne Osborne
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Thanks very much for posting that outline Cory. I love seeing it but it
makes me sad for what should have been. I really wish those stories had
been done.

And that is a good idea Steve had, btw.

WO
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

It'd be like the Beatles getting back together to cut a few new singles!

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It sure would! Wow. A guy can dream huh?

 

 



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James Stewart
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Thanks for posting those lost treasures Cory, the wolverine pen sketch is amazing. i'm willing to stick some dough into the kitty,for such a great project.
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When I clean out my closet, I find old bubble gum wrappers and broken
lampshades that I once thought were salvagable. Cory, however, finds
unused plots to the X-Men in the artist's own hand!!! Why doesn't my closet
spit out treasures like this!!! If this is what's tucked away in the closet, can
you imagine what's hidden in Cory's comparatively larger garage? A lost
Hemingway novel? Newer testaments to the bible?
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Cory Vandernet
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Posted: 29 August 2006 at 11:40pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

There have been other treasures that found their way out the closet and into the Gallery.

Caliban, who would have been a member of the New Team as noted issues #135- #138.

 

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That Caliban is one of the creepiest things I have seen in a while... in a good way!
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Ian Carroll
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The window into the creative process we're getting on this "Greatest Story
Never Told" is just . . . plain . . . astonishing. Thanks again Cory and JB!

This lost plan for the X-Men saga reminds me of another one, revealed by the producer of a well-known space fantasy.
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This is the best closet I've seen since "Time Bandits"!




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A note on the "controversy" of Wolverine "pulling the plug" on Mariko. Some of you seem to be missing a rather important -- in fact, perhaps the most important -- element of the story. Situations like this out here in the real world are "controversial" because there are some people who will never be able to accept that dead is dead. "There's always a chance...!" is practically a mantra -- especially when people who have nothing to do with the case(s) stick their unwanted noses into the affair.

In the case of this story, however, we have two powerful telepaths confirming beyond a doubt that Mariko was dead, that only the machines were keeping her life-functions going. No shading. No second guessing. No "controversy".

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I liked how the story was described... and it sounds absolutely like Wolverine to pull the plug if the person in the bed is never coming back. It's an act of compassion and love to let someone go when it's their time.

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JB-

I get the important part of the story- that dead is dead, and that two powerful telepaths confirmed it.  But that doesn't mean that the Shooter would've/did get it, or even if he did, whether Marvel at the time would've have risked telling that story with the hope that people would "get it".  I mention this knowing that  Marvel at the time was still producing comics under the auspices of the Code, and that some controversy existed after Wolverine killed the sentry in the Savage Land.  That, and knowing, anecdotally, other things Shooter pulled at the time. 

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Hmmmm.

What would it take to finish the previously mentioned story in 2006 dollars (factoring in the discounts normally applied to loyal devoted fan-based group pooling of resources). I am assuming of course this would be an internet distribution and not via paper media.

Are there legal issues that would preclude such an event?

Are there reasons you would not want to back track to that particular era? (which is perfectly cool)

Again. Hmmmm.

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Cory Vandernet-

Pardon the ignorance here, but who are you and how did you come by these
treasures?
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Charles Nago:  I mention this knowing that  Marvel at the time was still producing comics under the auspices of the Code, and that some controversy existed after Wolverine killed the sentry in the Savage Land.  That, and knowing, anecdotally, other things Shooter pulled at the time.

Going by things I've read over the years, it didn't appear that the Jim Shooter of 1977-1983 was that bad.  It was the post-1983 Shooter that seemed to lose his grip on reality.  Or are there some late-70's instances that I'm unaware of?

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Count me in for $50.  I would love to see that story done as a commission piece.  Andrew Davey, I too miss the X-Men.

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JB: Question about Jean/Phoenix. And can understand if it's a "no comment." When was it decided that Jean would loose her powers?Shooter saying she had to die is pretty well documented, according to Untold Story though Jean would've gone through and lost her powers (or at least stopped being Phoenix). 
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Shooter didn't say she had to die. Shooter wanted her taken to a prison asteroid to be tortured for all eternity. I said "screw that, I'd rather kill her!"

Having her lose her powers was what Chris and I planned before Shooter intervened.

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Who am I?

An Introduction.

I was born at a very young age in a hospital in Calgary Alberta Canada. A handsome youth...............fast forward.............. I graduated Bowness High School in 1976. That summer I happened upon Grandpa Takes A Trip the first comic shop in Calgary. And who should be inside but a young artist by the first name John with an unpronouncable last name. Iron Fist #9 had just been released and I recognised him from his appearance in issue #8 that and in one of the letters pages in Iron Fist it was mentioned he lived in Calgary. I introduced myself, I told him I liked his stuff, learned how to say Byrne (birn), met Paul Gibney (who was employed by said establishment) and Jim Scott. Paul, Jim and I used to hang out a lot at the comic-shop and from time to time John would drop by and we would bullshit about comics. After a while Paul, Jim and I came to be known as John's Three Goons. In fact our first trip to New York and the Marvel offices Paul and Jim had T-shirts made and we drew lots, Jim became "Goon 1", Paul "Goon 2" and I of course, was "Henchman". The Three Goons appeared in X-Men #121 and Captain America #250 ( I got kicked in the head by Cap. Sweet!) Long story short, until 1980 when John got hitched and moved to the States, I was able to learn some of the inner workings of Comics, got one of JB's old sketchbooks and became a copyrighted Marvel character.

Enough about me.

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I don't know if I should be happy to discover this lost plot, or sad that it did not happen.

Still, good food for dreams to come...

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Long story short, until 1980 when John got hitched and moved to the States, I was able to learn some of the inner workings of Comics, got one of JB's old sketchbooks and became a copyrighted Marvel character.

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Cory modestly omits the part where he, Paul and Jim were instumental in getting me thinking about that giant figure of Doctor Doom looming over Liddleville in FF 236. The inspiration was the cover to FF 84 (which also inspired FF 247), and the question the "Goons" raised was "what if that scene happened for real?"

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Matt Hawes
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Well, then, I owe Cory and Paul and Jim some thanks for one of my favorite "Fantastic Four" stories of all time!
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Same here!

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