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John Byrne
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Does Barry "solving the crime" remove the trauma, retroactively?
I recently learned that a somewhat traumatic event from my childhood was
not at all as I perceived it at the time. This has in no way removed or even
diminished the effects of that "trauma".
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Bryan Eacret
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Who cares about Barry's parents? Why do they even need to be mentioned? Have they ever been brought up before? It's more information that I don't need to know. I've made it this far without caring about Barry's child hood....
All I need from a Flash story is some fun, and it was lacking in this story. How hard is it to write a story about a guy that can move really fast and beat up bad guys? It' be nice to see the Flash smile and act heroic.
Side note: I think it's a shame that the Wally West character has been screwed up so bad that I can't even read stories about him any more. What was the point of saddling this guy with a marriage and two kids? He could still be the "main" Flash if he didn't end up with all this baggage. No need to replace him with Bart or bring back Barry.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 10 April 2009 at 10:18am | IP Logged | 3
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What was the point of saddling this guy with a marriage and two kids?
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Middle aged writers tend to turn the characters into reflections of
themselves. This is why young turks have to come in and shake things up
from time to time -- before turning, themselves, into middle aged writers.
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Dave Phelps
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| Side note: I think it's a shame that the Wally West character has been screwed up so bad that I can't even read stories about him any more. What was the point of saddling this guy with a marriage and two kids? He could still be the "main" Flash if he didn't end up with all this baggage. No need to replace him with Bart or bring back Barry. |
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Barry wasn't brought back because Didio felt that Wally had gone too far astray or because the Bart thing didn't work out. Barry was brought back because Didio wanted "his" Flash back in the title role. Simple as that.
The kids came into play when the decision had already been made to bring back Barry and they were working out the kinks as to how. I guess it was just a way to give Wally a happy ending of sorts. The wife's been around for awhile, but considering that Barry was one of the first ongoing heroes to tie the knot, I think that evens things out between him and Wally.
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Bryan Eacret
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"Barry wasn't brought back because Didio felt that Wally had gone too far astray..."
I don't mean to imply that there won't be anymore Wally West stories produced. I'm sure there will. I'm saying that I can no longer stomach them, because the character has been screwed up so bad. He shouldn't have kids. It ruins the whole focus of the character (don't get me started about how old he must be).
Peter Parker should not be married; "Kid" Flash should not have kids.
Edited by Bryan Eacret on 10 April 2009 at 11:38am
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Greg McPhee
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Who cares about Barry's parents? Why do they even need to be mentioned? Have they ever been brought up before? It's more information that I don't need to know. I've made it this far without caring about Barry's child hood....
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Barry's parents played an important supporting role during Cary Bates' tenure on the book, and were alive and well at the end of Flash # 350.
I guess this means that a lot of Bates and Waid's stories are now out of continuity if Barry's mother died during his childhood....
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Paul Anthony Llossas
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Or just a part of the Infinite Crisis reboot.
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Brian Floyd
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JB, and anyone else fed up with all the darkening of characters, I hope you don't know what they did with Stanley and his Monster in Green Arrow several years ago. Seriously. If you don't know....BE GLAD!
Johns I think is trying to be the Quentin Tarantino of comics, or something, but he's going about it the wrong way bigtime. I've mostly enjoyed his work on Justice Society of America (and I believe the next issue is his last), but he does tend to do ultraviolence and kill off or maim characters for no good reason.
Guess I'll be skipping Flash: Rebirth....
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Greg McPhee
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I do enjoy Geoff Johns writing and thought he did a great job on Action Comics and is doing a great job on Green Lantern.
I will say that he has let a lot more violence in to his stories than I remember being there when he first began work on The Flash in 2000. The level of graphic violence was one of the most off-putting things about Infinite Crisis.
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Mike Norris
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He seems over think these characters. Hal Jordan is test pilot so Johns takes him to "11" and makes him a USAF officer who's dad died in aircraft accident. Barry Allen is a Police Scientist so he has to be motivated by a crime based tragedy. They cant be guys who like to fly or enjoy science. Thats too "simple".
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Dave Phelps
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Hal's Dad's plane crash was inherited. It was introduced in Emerald Dawn, if not sooner.
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Peter Svensson
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Johns has this weird dichotomy of playing up the virtue and heroic nature of his heroes, while placing them in situations that are grim and violent and dark. So we get a heroic, triumphant Superman who faces foes that rip peoples arms off and commit mass murder on panel, blood spurting everywhere.
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