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Eric Ladd
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Booooo. The feathering looks so subtle even at low resolution. Oh well.
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Keith Thomas
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Was your early Jean a little uhm "thicker" than you draw her now or is the extra weight (on the thighs) part of your problem with it?
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Gundars Berzins
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I was able to make this 3D model of Phoenix by using a function of the modeler that allows the reflected light to be an entirely different color from the object doing the reflecting:
Ahh nice, I've done something similar to that before. I bet it added some rendering time to that image heh. Did you create the figures in order (Marvel Girl, Black Queen, Dark Phoenix)? I like the colors used for the Dark Phoenix.
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Caleb M. Edmond
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Neal's forty year old Batman would not have a tenth as many flaws as my thirty year old Phoenix! Neal forty years ago was still far ahead of where I am NOW! ********************* WOW!!!!!! One can only assume that higher praise has rarely been uttered!
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Wallace Sellars
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WOW!!!!!!
One can only assume that higher praise has rarely been uttered!
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Where is this John Byrne with the HUGE ego that others say exists?
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Carmen Bernardo
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I'm also thinking that there are details missing in Jean's face from that 30-year old sketch that John would put into her today. For example, looking at a comparison between an old sketch of Wolverine's face in perspective compared to what he'd do today will show a tendency to give the characters a sort of "flat face" look. Jean's cheeks don't quite stand out as well as they would if John were to draw her today.
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John Byrne
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WOW!!!!!!One can only assume that higher praise has rarely been uttered! — Where is this John Byrne with the HUGE ego that others say exists? •• Well, Neal is so damn good, you can stand a few paces behind him and STILL have a huge ego!!
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Matt Clouser
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Many thanks to Steve Gumm for posting the lead scan. That sketch brought back a wave of nostalgia - this is how I visualize Phoenix in my mind. It's most likely subjective since I was following the Claremont/Byrne run as they came out when I was in late college / early career. Reading over these comments JB, I guess I can see why you might have some problems your technique at that time - but the overall impact is still awesome. The two side-by-side Phoenix sketches Nathan Greno included in the 15th post got me thinking. As I recall, many of the artists from both major companies during that era (late 70s/early 80s) seemed to draw more "curvy" female characters, while the more recent trend seems to be more athletic. (I'm intentionally NOT including works from some current artists who seem to draw females barely removed from strippers/porn starlets) JB, your thoughts about my "curvy to athletic" comments? Am I remembering right or are their other factors in play I'm not considering?
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John Byrne
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The female form has traditionally come in many shapes and sizes, in comics. Perhaps not quite so varied as in the real world, but still not exclusively the long-legged, top-heavy Amazons that same real world so often seems to think is all that populates our pages.Getting into comics professionally, I resolved early on that my characters would have the widest range of physiques I had at my command -- and that meant male and female characters. So I tried to drawn my ladies with a wide range of leg length and bust measurement. For every Aurora there would be a Marina, and so on. Not that this had much impact on other artists who drew my characters later! Heather Hudson donned the Guardian costume, but apparently stopped off for implants before she did so. And even before the first issue of ALPHA FLIGHT was published, I saw a fan sketch of the characters, based on promotional artwork Marvel had released, that gave Marina a set of water-wings that could have saved the Titanic!
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Matt Clouser
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The varied female form - another thing I appreciate about your art - then and now! The example that comes to mind is Amanda Waller. When "Legends" came out in the 80's, I remember being impressed that FINALLY someone drew a realistic, heavy-set woman. Thanks!
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John Byrne
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The example that comes to mind is Amanda Waller. When "Legends" came out in the 80's, I remember being impressed that FINALLY someone drew a realistic, heavy-set woman. •• Giving credit where credit is due, it was the writer of LEGENDS, John Ostrander, who asked for Amanda to have that look. Nell Carter was who he described. A pity Hollywood couldn't stay true to that image, tho.
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James Revilla
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I will never understand why they did that to Waller.
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