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Michael Penn
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I wouldn't let my 6 year old boy anywhere near this stuff.


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John Byrne:

"The key to drawing superheroes in action -- and something which seems to elude many current artists -- is NOT to put them in relaxed or naturalistic positions. These shots are "freeze frames" that capture the action at the most extreme point. Poses that no human body would be likely to hold for more than a second or less,

So, sure, it's not likely that Spider-Woman would stick her bum up in the air and HOLD it there -- especially without an audience! -- but she might very well pass thru that position just for a moment."

This, this and more THIS. You said it much better than I did in a previous thread.

To illustrate, (hah!) the three covers posted to this thread, by three different cartoonists...

One looks like it's caught in a motion in time, and the other two, as it's the case in most covers, looks like a posed session in a photographer's studio. Why would all these heroes feel the need to take those kind of shots all the time, is anyone's guess.

As an aside, I find it sadly hilarious that on the CBR forum comments to this cover, fanboys are actually giving anatomy tips to MILO MANARA!

My guess is that Manara used photo reference for the piece, and might have even used a model, took a photo, and TRACED the photo! OMG!

But that's just speculation on my part. Could be totally wrong, though.
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It's a bit sexy but this seems like a tempest in a teapot and hardly anything that much beyond what's already been going on for more than 20 years.  Not nearly worth the sturm and drang it's getting.
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Count me as one of the troglodytes. An all ages comic book should not have a "nude" shot. That costume is so unrealistically tight, imagine what the front looks like.

Personally, I think too many artists use their female art to express their porn fantasies. How many times have you come across art that you know was created just to be a "muff" shot? Or how many show the vaginal crack? Really?

I'm not against nudes or even extreme nudes. Back in the day Tim Vigil's Faust went to the extreme, but in the context of his story, it was ok. It was never meant to be an all-ages comic, not in the least.

I think comics can be sexy, but shouldn't be sexist. Even JB has drawn almost-nudes in comics but they never came across as pornographic poses. They were appropriate (IMO) for all ages.

On a side note: I always laugh when I see a photo on DeviantArt that is clearly pornographic (I think DA have since screened those extreme shots out) and folks post on how they love the lighting, or the pose, or the artistry or some other contrived reason - they are so full of BS because the photos are usually point and shoot and have zero artistry and are meant to be pornographic.

I also laugh at anyone who calls out folks as prudes simply because they do not approve of pornographic nudity. They always try to defend themselves as more open minded and that they appreciate the nude form more than I do because they love to see the inner labia, as if that makes them a better person. Less is more, but they don't understand that.

So anyway back to this shot. While it's not offensive in anyway, it clearly has it origins as a porn reference, and thats why it's attracting this much attention.
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imagine what the front looks like.

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Like this?

Wally Wood from more than thirty years ago. In a Code approved comic.

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Robert Shepherd
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Yeah but I guess it all comes down to how desensitized I am. 

I think Power Girl is a running joke anyway, but even Wally didn't draw the minutia. He stuck to the major forms. But I would assume when Power Girl became so big busted, this same type of debate heated up.
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Andy Mokler
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So if the image was like this, everyone who's calling it pornography would be fine with it?
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…but even Wally didn't draw the minutia. He stuck to the major forms.

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As did Manara.

Like I said, slow news week.

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I don't think anyone really had an issue of the pose itself, even though it is a popular pornographic one, especially when Brian Peck pointed out the same pose done by Milo for a sex focussed story.

To me it doesn't look a like a captured moment in time, it looks like the artist used photo reference (perhaps a porn shot...I don't know) and forced the scene.

But IMO your modification does improve the image. Now it feels more like spandex and less like body paint.
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*Like I said, slow news week.*

Well for me...slow work week. I tend to get distracted by this forum too easily...;-)
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That's pretty funny, Andy!

Your image illustrates perfectly how well Manara nailed it in his own version. 
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But IMO your modification does improve the image. Now it feels more like spandex and less like body paint.

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Looks like a diaper to me.

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