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Ray Owens
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Posted: 13 September 2014 at 5:11am | IP Logged | 1  

I agree JB, this is for the Scottish people to decide ad we should be left to make that decision for good or bad.
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"I really wonder why the rest of the World should care about this."

I guess as Jesus alludes to in the first post, it could have implications for separatist movements elsewhere in the world. And there does seem to have been a growth in Separatism, worldwide, in recent years. 

Are there any serious separatist movements in the U.S.? 
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I just heard on the news here that many separatist groups in Europe are sent observers to Scotland and that there will also be a group from Texas. Seriously.
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Catalunya has been talking separation for decades, for one.

This sort of thing can have snowballing effects in a world with heterogenous populations living on the same land. Call it "pride of tribe" if you wish.

Kind of what would happen if a large rogue planet suddenly entered our solar system: every other planet would feel it and perhaps have their orbits slightly disturbed.

Check out what is going on in eastern Ukraine with pro-Russian communities.

In Canada it seems that first Nations are increasingly winning land claim trials which give them almost sovereign powers over large territories. Some Crees are wanting to separate from Quebec as I write this.

And it's theoretically conceivable that such things can still happen in the US for purely economic reasons. Given the extreme political polarization in the US what WOULD happen today if 5-6 southern states suddenly came forward with a plan to secede and form their own union? Instant military action or negotiation?

Anyway, the Scottish situation is interesting because it's an example of a "civilized" process with a clear question. Normally this sort of process fuels military tensions and at least a bit of sabre rattling.




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Is there a procedure in the US for a State's withdrawal from the Union? I would image that when a State signed their constitution to join the Union (or whatever it is called ), there must have been a provision in it to leave. 
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Texas is keeping a close eye on this story.
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Ah, bullhockey. All the Southern states want is an arrangement such that they don't have to follow anyone's rules but their own. So they hint darkly at either secession or Civil War II. They are far too dependent on Federal pork to truly consider leaving the U.S.


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I seem to remember in the last Quebec vote to leave Canada many years ago, the Maritime provinces threatened to join the USA if it was successful...
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If I recall, a common joke at the time was that Newfoundland was excited for Quebec to separate since it would mean a shorter drive to Toronto. 
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I think there will be a marginal no-vote. But it won't put the subject to rest. Too many Scots want independence.
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Neil "Is there a procedure in the US for a State's withdrawal from the Union? I would image that when a State signed their constitution to join the Union (or whatever it is called ), there must have been a provision in it to leave. "

We do have a procedure. It was called The Civil War. 

No State has a legal means to leave the United States. Regardless of what some Texans will tell you. 
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Check this out, this was Inverness City centre this afternoon

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