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Nathan Greno
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Conrad Teves
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I understand the desire to add some visual interest to Doom's armor, but that version has a set of lines that seem to say "shoot me there."
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Greg Woronchak
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What exactly is the belt holding up? lol
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Richard Stevens
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I loved those Simonsson FFs so much. So damn weird and smooth at the same time.
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Gundars Berzins
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Iron Doom?
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Roy Johnson
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I'm not sure how, given that Doom summarizes the incident quite well, there wasn't anything vague about.
Edited by Roy Johnson on 21 October 2014 at 9:02am
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Andrew W. Farago
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If you didn't get the joke (and didn't understand the X-Men and FF references), you'd figure that it's a reference to an old story and move on, right? Maybe you'd ask online or poke around if you really wanted to see when Dr. Doom and Arcade may have met in the past (the first two Google results for "Dr. Doom Arcade" answer that question for anyone who really wants to know), or maybe you'll read another comic and forget about it two minutes later.
It seems like the only people complaining about the obscurity of the reference are people who completely understood the reference.
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Marc Cheek
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I don't have a problem with the reference or even the retcon in particular, but with the fact that no one knows how to write Dr. Doom any more...
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Conrad Teves
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Jason>>I'm puzzled as to why Al Ewing's obscure reference to some old comics is considered bad, but JB's obscure reference to a two-year-old X-Men comic (in the original FF story) is considered perfectly acceptable. What's the distinction? <<
Two different sorts of retcon. One is the "we never said it didn't" variety, which can read as a "revelation" whereas the other is changing something explicitly said. E.g., the Trill being a "new species" they say know very little about in Star Trek TNG, then being retconned all the way back into TOS and even Enterprise.
Either isn't necessarily good or bad. They can both easily make things worse.
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Michael Roberts
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I'm puzzled as to why Al Ewing's obscure reference to some old comics is considered bad, but JB's obscure reference to a two-year-old X-Men comic (in the original FF story) is considered perfectly acceptable. What's the distinction?
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Both references are unnecessary. That Arcade/Doom exchange should have just been ignored, rather than highlighted. As for the distinction, you answered your own question.
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It seems like the only people complaining about the obscurity of the reference are people who completely understood the reference.
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It's not really the obscurity of the reference that bothers me, but the obscurity of the event. Is Doom really holding on to that one time that Arcade struck a match on his armor? And if that was such a significant event in his life, would he really brag about it?
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