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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5835
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | 1
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Carson seems oblivious to the propaganda machine of Nazi Germany. Hitler didn't come out dressed like the Red Skull and announce to the world that he was evil and planned to do evil things. Not to invoke Godwin's Law but merely to put into some perspective, a lot of the anti- Muslim sentiment -- from even liberals like Bill Maher -- is not that far removed from the anti-Semetic rhetoric at the start of Hitler's regime. Jews were scapegoats for Germany's problems and many of the awful things done to them were spun as a form of German self-defense (the twisted irony being that Jews would retaliate against Germans because they "believed" they'd been mistreated).
Carson's "Red Dawn" fantasies would have only made things worse for Jews and only have played into Hitler's propaganda machine.
It stunned me when I realized that the U.S. participated in the Olympic games in Berlin a year after Hitler stripped German Jews of their citizenship. There was a lot of cognitive dissonance for almost a decade before the U.S. entered WWII.
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David Allen Perrin Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 April 2009 Location: United States Posts: 3544
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 5:27pm | IP Logged | 2
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"So a person's racial integrity takes a back seat when they have the audacity to belong to a political party you don't like? For this, they should be subjected to the same vile insults they would get from the Ku Klux Klan? Their dignity as black men suddenly means nothing?"
Who said anything about political parties? I'd call out Carson no matter what his political party. This isn't about Republican or Democrat. This is about Ben Carson and his idiotic pie hole.
Ben Carson's racial integrity went out the door when he made his 'Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery' comment.
Ben Carson is ridiculous no matter what his race.
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Stephen Robinson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5835
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 5:51pm | IP Logged | 3
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DAP: Ben Carson's racial integrity went out the door when he made his 'Obamacare is the worst thing since slavery' comment.
SER: Exactly. I don't oppose the right of blacks to be right-wing Republicans, but I just ask that they explain how they would have wound up in the positions they're in now (Clarence Thomas especially) if the right had won most of the legislative battles related to race in the past hundred years.
BROWN VS. BOARD OF EDUCATION is textbook "judicial activism." So, the question to black right wingers who denounce "judicial activism" is *how* would segregation have ended in the South otherwise? At least give me an alternate proposal that fits in with your philosophy. "Activism" is also about making swift social change. Conservatism by definition is about not changing the status quo or doing so slowly. So, segregation and Jim Crow might have "eventually" ended in the South without federal intervention (violation of "states rights") or "judicial activism." Are Thomas and Carson willing to sacrifice their entire lives to the extra generation or two the slow or steady approach might have taken?
And Clarence Thomas, who enjoys a legally sanctioned relationship with a woman that might have cost him his life just to *wink at* sixty years ago, has a hell of a lot of gall talking about "traditional marriage."
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Paul Greer Byrne Robotics Security
Joined: 18 August 2004 Posts: 14186
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 6:11pm | IP Logged | 4
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I already deleted the comment but I am not a fan of anyone making racial slurs for any reason. David you make a decent argument without using such language.
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Brandon Frye Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 November 2004 Posts: 1318
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 6:43pm | IP Logged | 5
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Well you brought up Allen West and Alan Keyes in addition to Carson. I guess it's just a coincidence that they are all black men who happen to be Conservative Republicans?
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I'll agree that was an asinine comment to make. But that shouldn't make him an "approved" target for racism.
If I threw racial epithets at Al Sharpton based comments he made (and some of them have been quite awful) are you telling me you wouldn't have a problem with that?
Because I'm guessing you would.
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I would agree there. If you had simply said that to begin with, I wouldn't have bothered to comment.
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Robert Cosgrove Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 1710
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 7:16pm | IP Logged | 6
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I have no problem with calling any political position "ridiculous," even if, standing alone at least, it substitutes dogmatic assertion and labeling for reasoned argument.
But Carson personally is far from ridiculous. It may be that some of you name-calling, have a more compelling personal story or have accomplished more good for your fellow man in your lives than Carson has in his. Without knowing you, I can't say. But I tend to doubt it.
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Eric Smearman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 02 September 2006 Location: United States Posts: 5798
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 8:06pm | IP Logged | 7
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Dr. Carson the neurosurgeon is, indeed, an impressive man. Maybe a great one. Carson the politician/candidate for the GOP presidential nomination is considerably less so.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | 8
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Dr. Carson is an amazing mix of impressive technical skill wedded to a stunningly ignorant redneck.
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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 8:39pm | IP Logged | 9
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I have no trouble giving my opinion about a man who seeks to become president of the United States. By his statements, he proves himself to be horrifically unqualified. He's reputed to be an astonishing doctor. Apparently that means absolutely nothing when it comes to having political, economic or historic insights.
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 April 2005 Location: United States Posts: 17997
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Posted: 09 October 2015 at 10:38pm | IP Logged | 10
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He doesn't understand what the debt ceiling fight-which-should-not-be-a-fight is about either.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 10 October 2015 at 12:48am | IP Logged | 11
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Robert Cosgrove wrote:
Carson personally is far from ridiculous. It may be that some of you name-calling, have a more compelling personal story or have accomplished more good for your fellow man in your lives than Carson has in his. Without knowing you, I can't say. But I tend to doubt it. |
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So you're basically saying that Carson gets a pass on all of the recent idiotic things he's said because he's helped some people. That the only way someone can possibly question his opinion is to put up their full resume and IF they've done as much "for your fellow man" as he has do they have a right to call his "observations" into question? In that light, I have a question for you; would you forgive the same of anyone running for the highest office in the land? Or could it possibly be that people question opinions more harshly because they're running for President of the friggin' United States?
Sorry, but allow people to question rather than to grant someone a pass simply because some of their past actions have, in fact, done some good.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 10 October 2015 at 1:15am | IP Logged | 12
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Presidential material right there. Take away the fact that he actually said he directed a potential shooter to focus on someone else (namely the cashier) instead of himself, but now it's come to light that there is no record of the event at all.
Carson for President!!!!!!!
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