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Stephen Robinson
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 12:54pm | IP Logged | 1
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ROBBIE: I live in Texas so it doesn't really matter which way I vote.
SER: That is arguably true at the general election level, but there is still
power at the primary level. In fact, it's believed that's why Cruz put his tail
between his legs and endorsed Trump. He could have lost his seat in 2018 -
- not to a Democrat but to a Republican in the primary.
MICHAEL: I, as well. I've never been able to get over her swooping in at the
last minute to magically transform herself into my fellow New Yorker simply
to exploit my beloved home-state as the mere device to propel herself into
the office that, most likely, she'll hold next year. And that's an old grievance.
SER: I had an issue with that, as well. But on a larger level, I have an issue
with the Senate being used as a blatant platform for larger office. It doesn't
do service to the body and to the people of the state. Cruz, Kasich, and
Rubio both ran knowing they had a major state in their corner for the
primaries (though Rubio lost in humiliating fashion). I wish that the
primaries were structured to remove "home state advantage" (maybe if
you're an elected official from the state, you just get half the delegates for
winning it).
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Stephen Robinson
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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VINNY: Not that Romney was so great, but I hope that he gives it a shot in
2020.
SER: I am not completely surprised by the current affection for Romney
from some right-leaning voters but I think it misses the part Romney played
in the rise of Trump. Romney at several points refused to stand up to the
vulgar politics that led to a candidate like Trump (e.g. refusing to denounce
Rush Limbaugh for calling Sandra Fluke a "slut"). He also accepted an
endorsement from Trump, whose sole claim to political fame in 2012 was
birtherism. Romney also made several blatant shifts to the hard right to
appeal to the future Trump voters during the GOP primary. Aside from his
political views, he is as guilty as Republicans claim Clinton is of "doing
anything" to achieve higher office.
Though all that aside, his actual electoral career is over. It is for anyone who
failed to endorse Trump -- a dwindling list that sadly excludes any
Republican who has to actually face Republican voters in another election. I
thought Cruz's concession was the biggest evidence that the GOP knows
that its primary base is corrupt but they either lack the courage or the will
to confront and resolve it.
Republicans are currently rallying behind Trump and although a lot can
change, it doesn't seem like it could change enough for Clinton to win by
Obama '08 or even '12 margins. When a race-baiting religious bigot -- who
is laughably unqualified for the job -- can wind up with more electoral votes
than a war hero (McCain) and former Governor and successful businessman
(Romney) then there's no compelling reason for the GOP to change. And
what's scary is that I can easily see a "more disciplined" Trump running in
2020 (more coherent, less overtly vulgar in regards to women but just as
openly bigoted) and wiping the floor with Clinton, who is on track to win by
the narrowest margin for a Democrat since Carter. I really don't see her
cracking 300 EV.
This is scary. This is the Quesada moment for the GOP. We're all waiting for
Marvel to return to the "glory days" right? Right?
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Dave Kopperman
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | 3
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Stephen Robinson wrote:
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I'm not sure I really see the problem with this. I don't mind ambition, and I definitely don't mind the government experience that comes with it. The massive influx of first-time Tea Party candidates into the House pretty much finally broke that institution, largely because of their legislative inexperience (and in some cases, outright incompetence).
Edited by Dave Kopperman on 27 September 2016 at 1:04pm
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Stephen Robinson
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DAVE:
Stephen Robinson wrote:
I have an issue with the Senate being used as a blatant platform for larger
office.
I'm not sure I really see the problem with this. I don't mind ambition, and I
definitely don't mind the government experience that comes with it.
SER: That's the thing -- Obama, Cruz, and Rubio barely served their terms
before running for president. (Clinton at least made it to one and a half.)
That's hardly becoming an expert in the legislative process.
Biden, for example, was in the Senate for decades before becoming Vice
President.
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | 5
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Speaking from a British perspective, there is something to be said for NOT having career politicians in politics.
Our former Prime Minister (Cameron) had little experience outside politics. Pretty much a career politician. I'd prefer our politicians to have had some non-political experience.
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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 3:46pm | IP Logged | 6
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When Trump went on about Clinton's "not nice" negative ads, she could've delivered the "main event knockout" zinger... " Excuse me, Donald... they're in your own words... maybe they're not nice because YOU'RE not nice."
Seriously, she's the one that went easy on him.
-C!
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Vinny Valenti
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 7
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I'm surprised that she didn't pounce on him saying that he was "smart" for not paying income taxes. All she needed to do was say, "wait, what? Can you please repeat that again?"
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 4:13pm | IP Logged | 8
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I know! We couldn't believe she let that one slide. The very thing that pays all these military people, police officers and firemen that he supports and have "endorsed" him, and he's proud of the fact he contributes nothing to their salaries.
Edited by Brian Miller on 27 September 2016 at 4:14pm
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Jeremy Simington
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 9
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FRED J CHAMBERLAIN: I will be voting for Gary Johnson.... unless it looks like Hilary will be losing the state of PA votes.
Fred, as a fellow PA resident, I beg you to vote for Hillary. PA is absolutely a swing state, so a vote for Johnson is a vote for Trump. I'm in the part of the state that's not Philly or Pittsburgh (i.e., Pennsyltucky) and I can assure you there are huge numbers of people who are voting Trump. Please reconsider. |
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Jason Czeskleba
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My question to Fred would be, why are you voting for Gary Johnson? As in, what policy positions of his do you like and support? Johnson has largely gotten a free ride from the media as the "reasonable" alternative to Trump and Clinton, but he has some fairly far-out, extreme policy ideas.
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Kevin Brown
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I'm voting for Hillary come Hell or high water.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 27 September 2016 at 6:32pm | IP Logged | 12
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Not to mention Johnson didn't know what Aleppo is.
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