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Michael Hogan
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Posted: 11 May 2018 at 5:37am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

JB'S post directly above this one should be tattooed on the arm of every comicbook writer in the universe!
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Beat-ability depends on the scenario, the situation...

A Batman who is virtually unprepared for Spider-Man is not the same as a Batman fully prepared for Spider-Man.
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About Batman beating Galactus:

One could never contemplate this kind of beating...

But at most perhaps this kind of not beating but rather defeating...
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Worst cheat in the history of comics!!
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The ultimate nullification of one of the greatest comicbook stories ever, eh?!


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Let's consider a few points.

Why doesn't all of that apply to Spider-Man?   Makes it seem that Batman wins because he's Batman is the argument being made.

Would Doc Savage be given the same consideration and latitude?  Isn't he everything that Batman is?  Would it sound as acceptable to argue that Doc would beat Spider-Man, the Hulk, Superman, etc.?

Suspension of disbelief is one thing but the fantasy has to be grounded in some kind of reality and if strength, speed, agility and anticipation are to be disregarded because of verisimilitude then I don't see how a conversation can be had about something like this.

Batman "could" win given the right set of circumstances but I think who "would" win in most situations is the fighter with clear advantages in all the measurable ways.  Spider-Man has fought every manner of gadget and planner and emerged victorious so to me, all of that becomes a wash and it's reduced to mano y mano.  So, as trained in fighting as Batman is, Spider-Man's superhuman strength, speed, agility and instincts would be too much of an advantage in a "fight".

I'm certainly curious about how Batman is defined.  World's greatest detective has certainly expanded and grown over the years.  Is there anything he isn't "greatest" at at this point?

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Doc Savage would probably beat Batman. In fact, given a world in which they both existed, Doc could well have been one of the people who trained Bruce.
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Well, let me be that guy for today and reconnect comics to wrestling, where, no matter what writers and creators say, wrestling is really the perfect motif for comic book heroes and heels.

Marketable popularity is what decides who wins and gets 'pushed over the top'. Right now, I believe, Batman is the number one (selling) superhero - with, like six different series - all doing well and well received.

This has elevated Batman to Chuck Norris levels of fandom where the joke is EXACTLY THAT - Batman can beat anybody.

All we can do is bend our imagination to write or at least imagine what we think could/should happen. Depending on who are, the opinion varies in weight. (Almost put an lol here.)

That said, who beats who is always EVEN unless you go by raw numbers. But, if we were a planet that went by raw numbers and stats, there would be no need for sports or races or any kind of competition ever. It's always about what SHOULD happen, it's about WHAT DID happen. That's where the terms like -> upset, favored, long shot, dark horse and odds-on-favorite come from.



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Doc Savage would probably beat Batman. In fact, given a world in which they both existed, Doc could well have been one of the people who trained Bruce.

<sigh>Yet another story I'll never get to see(done right).  That's why you do the voodoo you do so well.  That idea never even crossed my mind.
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...Doc could well have been one of the people who trained Bruce.

Excellent notion!

Perhaps Batman v. Spider-Man might be akin to the latter's battles with Kraven?
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Important to remember, in this context (and to the great frustration of Roger Stern!), that the Kingpin used to beat up Spider-Man!
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 John Byrne wrote:
Important to remember, in this context (and to the great frustration of Roger Stern!), that the Kingpin used to beat up Spider-Man!

It might be slightly different, but I always found it odd that Xena, a human being, often kicked the ass of Ares whilst Hercules often came off worse against the God of War! Referring to TV for anyone who hasn't seen XENA or HERCULES. 
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