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Charles Valderrama
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| Posted: 07 October 2019 at 8:33pm | IP Logged | 1
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This clown has got to go. He is DESTROYING America's international influence and BETRAYING all of our allies.
Fall 2020 can't come soon enough.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 2:47am | IP Logged | 2
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Well, he will have achieved one thing that’s for sure.America will never be able to assemble a coalition force involving locals ever again, thus decreasing the number of times America will need to act as blockers in other countries.
Work with you? So you can abandon me like you keep doing all the other people?
Edited by James Woodcock on 08 October 2019 at 2:47am
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Greg McPhee
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 2:55am | IP Logged | 3
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Not only could his decision revise ISIS, it also means the Kurds will have a reason to hate America now. If ISIS do have a chance to rebuild, and their are further atrocities across the globe, it is on the asshole's head.
His refusal to listen to his own advisors (or even involve them) and understand Middle Eastern history and policy, but cow tow to every tin pot dictator will have serious repercussions.
This decision and that Tweet about Turkey alone show that the 25th Amendment is there for a reason.
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Greg McPhee
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 2:57am | IP Logged | 4
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Other than Doctor Doom or Lex Luthor, what fucking person proclaims this?
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Luthor and Doom might be evil but at least you could say they are stable geniuses.
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Koroush Ghazi
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 3:12am | IP Logged | 5
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Greg McPhee wrote:
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This point needs to be examined a bit more carefully. The Kurds already had plenty of reasons to hate the US. Look up the Halabja chemical attack by Saddam Hussein on the Kurds, after which the US not only failed to condemn Iraq, but even continued to send aid to him when his use of chemical weapons was confirmed. I can't find definitive proof, but there is also strong suspicion that the weapons themselves were originally supplied by the US for use against Iran. This latest farce just reinforces the already hard-learned lesson never to trust the US.
For anyone outside the US, it's hard to just blame Trump for this sort of stupidity. The fact that he's still in power, and even has supporters, truly reflects badly on all Americans. Hopefully once Trump is gone a thorough investigation and a complete overhaul of US politics will occur. Maybe then America can become the leading democracy once again, and serve to inspire others as it once did.
Edited by Koroush Ghazi on 08 October 2019 at 3:14am
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 8:08am | IP Logged | 6
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Koroush, I don’t think it is fair or right to blame all Americans for that idiot. That’s the sort of talk that leads to indiscriminate blame/views/acts of hostility against a whole people group.
& it is just as wrong as what the idiot is doing.
There are people doing all they can to get him removed or not re-elected.
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Greg McPhee
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 9:34am | IP Logged | 7
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Trump is solely to blame for this debacle in Syria.
He made the decision on his own to keep another foreign leader (s) happy.
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Steve De Young
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 12:26pm | IP Logged | 8
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The US's Middle East policy, even if we restrict it to just the issues with the Kurds, goes back 40 years. You can't just pin it on Trump. His current actions are pretty much par for the course. Koroush didn't even bring up the issues after the first Gulf War when the Kurds were previously hung out to dry.
Hilary Clinton and the neo-liberal mainstream of the Democratic Party haven't proposed, or executed, any different Middle Eastern policy than the mainstream Republicans.Clinton and Obama weren't any less friendly with the Saudis, or Turkey, or Israel than Reagan, the Bushes, or Trump.
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 1:51pm | IP Logged | 9
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You still shouldn’t blame ALL Americans. It’s the equivalent of blaming ALL Muslims for things certain people do.
Edited by James Woodcock on 08 October 2019 at 1:52pm
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David Miller
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 3:09pm | IP Logged | 10
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I imagine nothing endears the United States to the world at large quite like Americans insisting they share no blame for evil done in their name and with their tax dollars.
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Koroush Ghazi
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| Posted: 08 October 2019 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 11
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Just to be clear, I'm not blaming all Americans for what Trump is doing. I'm simply saying that just as most people outside the Middle East would lump all of the people in the region together as being generally "crazy", so too, people outside the US may be coming to the same conclusion when seeing the farce that is Trump.
Add to that many, many years of mixed messages and sometimes blatant hypocrisy (e.g., condemnation of chemical weapons, but support of regimes that use them), I doubt anyone in the Middle East trusts America at all, irrespective of what Captain Imbecile is doing right now.
It's also true to say that Hillary, while unlikely to ever be this stupid, would undoubtedly have continued standard US operating procedure with regard to global politics. The political system is broken, in the US, and much of the rest of the world.
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Paul Gibney
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| Posted: 09 October 2019 at 3:10pm | IP Logged | 12
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Oh, wonderful. Now Hillary is making noises like she wants to run against Trump.
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